Jemele Hill calls for segregation; "Why Black Athletes Need to Leave White Colleges "

[Game6Conley]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...-athletes-should-leave-white-colleges/596629/

 

[Game6Conley]

I fully expect this sites wanna-be politicians to avoid this topic and continue on with their grandstanding.

 

[Archie Moses]

I posted her tweet in the conservative thread.

Hill has some bad takes and this is one of them. I'm no fan of the NCAA and their antics, silly rules, and greed, but there's better ways to help historically black colleges than calling for segregation from black athletes who attend other schools.

 

[fishonjazz]

I fully expect this sites wanna-be politicians to avoid this topic and continue on with their grandstanding.

Is this a topic that should be discussed? Do you think segregation has a chance of happening?

Should we discuss every dumb thing that every person says?

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[Archie Moses]

Is this a topic that should be discussed? Do you think segregation has a chance of happening?

Should we discuss every dumb thing that every person says?

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I almost made a thread about this this morning. Then I thought I should just make a thread entitled, Stupid **** People Say.

That could be a good one.

 

[Zombie]

There's a difference between forced segregation and athletes choosing to attend HBCUs. There seems to be some confusion as to what HBCUs are (hint: they aren't Black only) and what segregation actually is (hint: segregation is forced.)

I don't really see anything wrong with her take tbh. The NCAA (and sports media) is profiting massively off the backs of these athletes and it's not really benefiting black communities.

This kind of disruption to the status quo that Hill is advocated would help to change that.

 

[LogGrad98]

Is this a topic that should be discussed? Do you think segregation has a chance of happening?

Should we discuss every dumb thing that every person says?

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Yes.

 

[One Brow]

What sports would this proposal work with? Maybe basketball for a handful of players a decade, but are there really nationally known high school athletes in football, baseball, etc.? Do many people watch Ohio State, or UCLA, or Miami because of who plays there? That seems unlikely. The athletes went to the Big Five conferences because that is where the money and fame were before black athletes were recruited there. Why would that change?

Had the Fab Five gone to Howard instead of Michigan, would Hill still be mentioning them?

 

[fishonjazz]

There's a difference between forced segregation and athletes choosing to attend HBCUs. There seems to be some confusion as to what HBCUs are (hint: they aren't Black only) and what segregation actually is (hint: segregation is forced.)

I don't really see anything wrong with her take tbh. The NCAA (and sports media) is profiting massively off the backs of these athletes and it's not really benefiting black communities.

This kind of disruption to the status quo that Hill is advocated would help to change that.

Huh. So there was context that I was unaware of.

Thanks for the enlightenment

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[Zombie]

What sports would this proposal work with? Maybe basketball for a handful of players a decade, but are there really nationally known high school athletes in football, baseball, etc.? Do many people watch Ohio State, or UCLA, or Miami because of who plays there? That seems unlikely. The athletes went to the Big Five conferences because that is where the money and fame were before black athletes were recruited there. Why would that change?

Had the Fab Five gone to Howard instead of Michigan, would Hill still be mentioning them?

People who scout for football teams certainly do, and die hard college football fans keep an eye on recruiting classes in the same way that we keep an eye on future draft classes.

This is the sort of change that would take a long time to change the landscape of college football. It's not like most college football fans would change which team they root for, but it would definitely earn smaller HBCU's new fans if they were able to compete with the big boys.

IMO this entire conversation is purely academic, I don't know think there's any way Jemele's idea would come to fruition. There's just too much risk involved for these highly touted recruits with eye's on the NFL to turn down powerhouse football universities.

 

[Archie Moses]

There's a difference between forced segregation and athletes choosing to attend HBCUs. There seems to be some confusion as to what HBCUs are (hint: they aren't Black only) and what segregation actually is (hint: segregation is forced.)

I don't really see anything wrong with her take tbh. The NCAA (and sports media) is profiting massively off the backs of these athletes and it's not really benefiting black communities.

This kind of disruption to the status quo that Hill is advocated would help to change that.

So, in other words, you're all for promoting people to make life decisions based off of the color of their skin and the color of the skin of others?

Yes, white people go to HBCUs. At Xavier University in Louisiana, they make up of 2.3% of the student population which I'm sure is a great way for them to feel how being a minority, to some degree, is.

Here are a few gems from her article:

Why should this matter to anyone beyond the administrators and alumni of the HBCUs themselves? Because black colleges play an important role in the creation and propagation of a black professional class. Despite constituting only 3 percent of four-year colleges in the country, HBCUs have produced 80 percent of the black judges, 50 percent of the black lawyers, 50 percent of the black doctors, 40 percent of the black engineers, 40 percent of the black members of Congress, and 13 percent of the black CEOs in America today. (They have also produced this election cycle’s only black female candidate for the U.S. presidency: Kamala Harris is a 1986 graduate of Howard University.)

Shocking. I wonder why that is.

Moreover, some black students feel safer, both physically and emotionally, on an HBCU campus—all the more so as racial tensions have risen in recent years.

“Going to a school where most of the people are the same color as you, it’s almost like you can let your guard down a little bit,” he told me. “You don’t have to pretend to be somebody else. You don’t have to dress this way, or do things this way. It’s like, ‘I know you. We have the same kind of struggles. We can relate.’ It’s almost like you’re back at home in your neighborhood.” Perhaps partly for this reason, black students’ graduation rates at HBCUs are notably higher than black students’ at other colleges when controlling for factors such as income and high-school success.

But the reason black athletes today don’t choose FAMU over Oregon, or Hampton over Duke, is obvious: Their chances of making it to the pros as a high draft pick, and of winning lucrative endorsement deals, are enhanced by going to the predominantly white schools that sit atop the college-sports world.

That's like saying the reason someone went to Stanford instead of the Art Institute is to have a better chance at getting a better job. Lol

Black athletes overall have never had as much power and influence as they do now.

I agree.

ome people point to September 12, 1970, as the day HBCUs lost their corner on the nation’s best black football talent. That’s the day an all-white Alabama team got their asses handed to them by the University of Southern California’s heralded African American triumvirate of quarterback Jimmy Jones and running backs Sam “Bam” Cunningham and Clarence Davis. After that, football programs in the Deep South realized that if they were going to stay competitive, they would have to recruit black players. (In other areas of the country, colleges had already begun to recruit African Americans: The Michigan State team that fought Notre Dame to a 10–10 draw in the fall of 1966—a contest that many still consider to be the best college football game of all time—had 20 black players.)

Her whole article basically can be summed up by saying black athletes are the minority, but prove to be superior athletes. Somehow, her tone seems to be upset about this.



If Ben Shapiro writes his opinion on racial issues, he's a racist, shortsighted, and he has a bad take. If Hill does, she's spot on.

I don't know, man. I'm just not a fan of these types of things from Shapiro, Hill, or whoever. It's just divisive.


On a side note, I did learn that there are over 100 HBCUs in the US which is much more than I ever imagined. I'm all for supporting them. I'm all for student athletes going to them to help them. I'm just not down with the message of all black athletes should go to HBCUs because the whites are taking advantage of them.

 

[Zombie]

So, in other words, you're all for promoting people to make life decisions based off of the color of their skin and the color of the skin of others?

Yes, white people go to HBCUs. At Xavier University in Louisiana, they make up of 2.3% of the student population which I'm sure is a great way for them to feel how being a minority, to some degree, is.

Here are a few gems from her article:


Shocking. I wonder why that is.







That's like saying the reason someone went to Stanford instead of the Art Institute is to have a better chance at getting a better job. Lol



I agree.



Her whole article basically can be summed up by saying black athletes are the minority, but prove to be superior athletes. Somehow, her tone seems to be upset about this.



If Ben Shapiro writes his opinion on racial issues, he's a racist, shortsighted, and he has a bad take. If Hill does, she's spot on.

I don't know, man. I'm just not a fan of these types of things from Shapiro, Hill, or whoever. It's just divisive.


On a side note, I did learn that there are over 100 HBCUs in the US which is much more than I ever imagined. I'm all for supporting them. I'm all for student athletes going to them to help them. I'm just not down with the message of all black athletes should go to HBCUs because the whites are taking advantage of them.

What I'm saying is that you're dead wrong to call this segregation, that's not what it is.

You say you are happy to support HBCU's, but for some reason Jemele asking black athletes to support them is wrong somehow?

I'm honestly baffled as to what Ben Shapiro has to do with this. It's pretty obvious that not all takes on race relations are the same, some are in fact racist, others are not. Is it your position that nobody should discuss it? I'm confused.

 

[candrew]

And the elephant in the room.....

The HBCU's will never have the payoff/under the table money that the big name universities have.

 

[Archie Moses]

What I'm saying is that you're dead wrong to call this segregation, that's not what it is.

You say you are happy to support HBCU's, but for some reason Jemele asking black athletes to support them is wrong somehow?

1. Segregation does not only have to be "forced" to be segregation by definition.

Segregation: the action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.

I don't think she's calling for anything like what was done with blacks during the segregation days in US History by any means. I'm just don't agree with her way of trying to help HBCUs.

2. The way she did, yes. Read her Twitter page. She's responding to lots of people (who aren't white) who are calling her wrong too.

There's a reason she's not on ESPN anymore. Her takes are controversial and on the fringe.

 

[Zombie]

This is a good conversation about the issue.

 

[Miggs]

And the elephant in the room.....

The HBCU's will never have the payoff/under the table money that the big name universities have.

Would they even have the money to pay elite head coaches?

 

[candrew]

Would they even have the money to pay elite head coaches?

The competition for talent is beyond reason. According to an ESPN article published a couple weeks ago, the highest paid public employee in 39 out of 50 states is a college football or basketball coach.

 

[Miggs]

The competition for talent is beyond reason. According to an ESPN article published a couple weeks ago, the highest paid public employee in 39 out of 50 states is a college football or basketball coach.

I know that. But Howard is not one of them.