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Millsap's future impacts Jazz draft strategy

NotDeadYet

NotDeadYet

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First, I'd be surprised if the Jazz traded Millsap, or Jefferson, or Favors. I seriously doubt that happens.
If the decision is to keep Millsap at PF, it makes little sense to draft Kanter at #3, as we already have a young vet, Jefferson, a scoring machine, who I doubt is going away either. Then there's the up-and-coming very athletic Favors who we got for Deron Williams. That's 3 bigs; so why draft ANOTHER big at #3?
Now if the Jazz plan to move Millsap to SF, drafting Kanter makes a lot of sense the more I read about him. I wasn't crazy 'bout him at first, but he seems to have a good all-round game, can get physical and play D, and appears to be in tremendous condition, unusual for a big man.
With Millsap playing primarily SF, he might struggle defensively on the perimeter, but should be dominant in the low post and on the boards. Knowing his work ethic, he seems to be able to develop whatever part of his game that's needed; I can live with that.
That would leave them with needing another PG/SG at #12, as I doubt Price is back next season.
 
Millsap is not a SF. The Jazz won't trade anyone...yet. Millsap and Jefferson will start until Favors takes the spot from one of those two. If they draft Kantor, and he pans out, the loser of Favors/Jefferson will be traded (hopefully Jefferson). Millsap will eventually be moved to the bench.

UNLESS Millsap loses the starting spot and demands a trade. Then he is traded and the Jazz hold onto Favors and Jefferson and if they draft Kantor, Kantor until one demands out.
 
Millsap is a great guy to have on the bench IMO but isn't someone I want to rely on as a starter for an extended period. I also don't think he should be expected to play major minutes as a 3. I think Kanter clogs things up too much...and don't really think he'll pan out anyways.

We really need to find a way to get Williams. If that means we can't get our PG this year, so be it. I'm OK with Harris for another year.

Harris
Hayward/CJ
Williams/CJ
and AJ, Favors, Memo, and Sap splitting the minutes down low is a pretty solid start to a rebuiled IMO.
 
Even with all the depth in the front court the Jazz are dumb if they pass on Kanter if they perceive his value to be higher than say Knight's. With a top three pick you are insane to pass up on top talent IMO.
 
Nate505 said:
Even with all the depth in the front court the Jazz are dumb if they pass on Kanter if they perceive his value to be higher than say Knight's. With a top three pick you are insane to pass up on top talent IMO.
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That "top talent" of Kanter has never been tested against the top US players in any meaningful way. That scares the crap out of me.
 
I love Millsap, but his trade value is probably at an all-time high. As hard as he works, he is always going to be undersized. I could see the Jazz pulling the trigger on Millsap because they could get good value. I see Kanter as a 15 to 20 minute a night center backing up big Al. As much as I love Favors, I can't imagine him as a 5.
 
coCKbloCKaLYpse said:
That "top talent" of Kanter has never been tested against the top US players in any meaningful way. That scares the crap out of me.
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I agree he has his question marks. But if the Jazz feel his talent is a level above Knight's, they have to make the pick. You just don't pass up better talent this high in the draft. The Bowie/Jordan example is the most famous. Bobby Knight reportedly had a conversation with the Blazers GM at the time who resisted Knight's attempts to sell Jordan with their draft pick. Their GM said "we need a center," to which Knight's replay was "play Jordan at center." Of course it's highly doubtful that the gap between Kanter and Knight is that big, but the same logic just makes more sense to me.

But who knows, it could be that they think Knight is just as talented or more and pick him because of that. I just hope they don't pick him as a reach.
 
Nate505 said:
I agree he has his question marks. But if the Jazz feel his talent is a level above Knight's, they have to make the pick. You just don't pass up better talent this high in the draft. The Bowie/Jordan example is the most famous. Bobby Knight reportedly had a conversation with the Blazers GM at the time who resisted Knight's attempts to sell Jordan with their draft pick. Their GM said "we need a center," to which Knight's replay was "play Jordan at center." Of course it's highly doubtful that the gap between Kanter and Knight is that big, but the same logic just makes more sense to me.

But who knows, it could be that they think Knight is just as talented or more and pick him because of that. I just hope they don't pick him as a reach.
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Well that's kinda my whole point. I think Knight turns out to be the better player.
 
Milsap's comments: "I'm a starter" at the locker clean-out can't be ignored. The team will have to address the issue somehow. But I'm of the mind that if he already has a problem with Flavors, adding Kanter won't change anything for him. Coach Corbin is the one who is in a tough spot here, and his job would be made tougher if koc drafts Kanter. I think KOC wants to put Ty in a position to succede.

The Jazz are in an interesting place. They are trying to re-define who they are for just the second time in 25 years. After Karl & John retired the team seemed to be without an identity but Jerryled that team of cast-offs and leftovers and won 41 games. Jerry became the identity.

Now the Jazz are trying to redefine themselves with a new coach, and without a star player. We still don't know what kind of system Ty wants to run, what kind of players he wants. And none of us knows which current players don't want to play for Corbin or have been problems. I think Draft night will be interesting, but it should only be the beginning of moves made by KOC.
 
Why

sojodave said:
I love Millsap, but his trade value is probably at an all-time high. As hard as he works, he is always going to be undersized. I could see the Jazz pulling the trigger on Millsap because they could get good value. I see Kanter as a 15 to 20 minute a night center backing up big Al. As much as I love Favors, I can't imagine him as a 5.
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I would like to hear why you don't think Favors would not be a good 5 for us? He is strong, can leap, is tough, good rebounder and is about the same size as Dwight Howard. Again why?
 
Having Talent and playing as a team wins in the NBA. Any team is stupid if they don't take the best talent available. If Millsap or any player is going to complain about their role then do we really want them on the team? If Kanter is the best guy then you have to take him. The coach's job is to figure out how to make it work. The GM's job is to bring in the best talent.

I think Favors can play both positions just like Kanter can. Having a rotation of AJ, Favors, Millsap and Kanter or Williams would be awesome. The Jazz are protected if one of the guy's gets hurt or they want a big contract or if they get all "Diva" and complain about their role, the Jazz can just bench the player or they can trade the player to improve a weaker position. My whole point is that the Jazz are in a very good position and they need to make sure they don't screw it up by passing on the BPA, no matter who it is or what position the player plays.
 
Jazz have to go BPA regardless of position. However, the drafting of Kanter would mean future moves eventually would need to be made. Even if Sap is out of the picture, you still have frontcourt problems in regards to who's starting/sitting:

-Utah certainly wouldn't draft Kanter #3 overall with the expectations of making him a rotation player.

-Derrick Favors was the centerpiece of the D-Will trade. Obviously, Utah sees him as a long-term starter.

-Al Jefferson's scoring ability and low-post presence basically forces you to start him. Not only that, as the roster currently sits he is Utah's best player.

I actually HATE the idea of trading Jefferson, but it seems to be the most logical idea if Kanter is the pick. I know it's up for debate, but I belive Sap can play the 3 and whether you agree with that or not, odds are that he is Utah's starting SF when the 2011-2012 season gets under way. If Kanter is the pick, he can come off the bench for a season while Al continues to man the Center position. Then next offseason you trade Jefferson, move Kanter into his spot and have him play alongside Favors and Sap.

I like Kanter, but I'd almost rather see Derrick Williams fall to Utah. I believe he will be able to play the 3 at the next level and would be pretty dynamic with Favors and Jefferson. If Sap can see the writing on the wall and accepts the 6th man role, great. If not, you've got a very moveable asset.
 
I really think Minny is going to grab Kanter. Kanter looks like another role player to me, but Williams is an all star.
 
I think DWill is by far the best player in the draft. Our only hope of getting DWill is to hope that Minnesota takes Kantner. If Williams is gone, then I think we should go with Kanter. Another wild card in the draft is if Minny trades the 2nd pick and someone craves a certain player. I also think Knight and Kantner will not be starters next year and both will be role players until they get more experience.
 
jazzman12 said:
Jazz have to go BPA regardless of position. However, the drafting of Kanter would mean future moves eventually would need to be made. Even if Sap is out of the picture, you still have frontcourt problems in regards to who's starting/sitting:

-Utah certainly wouldn't draft Kanter #3 overall with the expectations of making him a rotation player.

-Derrick Favors was the centerpiece of the D-Will trade. Obviously, Utah sees him as a long-term starter.

-Al Jefferson's scoring ability and low-post presence basically forces you to start him. Not only that, as the roster currently sits he is Utah's best player.

I actually HATE the idea of trading Jefferson, but it seems to be the most logical idea if Kanter is the pick. I know it's up for debate, but I belive Sap can play the 3 and whether you agree with that or not, odds are that he is Utah's starting SF when the 2011-2012 season gets under way. If Kanter is the pick, he can come off the bench for a season while Al continues to man the Center position. Then next offseason you trade Jefferson, move Kanter into his spot and have him play alongside Favors and Sap.

I like Kanter, but I'd almost rather see Derrick Williams fall to Utah. I believe he will be able to play the 3 at the next level and would be pretty dynamic with Favors and Jefferson. If Sap can see the writing on the wall and accepts the 6th man role, great. If not, you've got a very moveable asset.
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Of course if you draft Kanter and move Sap to 3 then you have to trade Okur.
SF- Sap, ?
PF- Favors, Kanter/Sap
C- Jefferson, Kanter/Favors

If you draft D-Will2
SF- D-Will2, ?
PF- Favors,Sap,D-will2
C- Big Al, Favors

I like the D-Will 2 lineup better
 
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