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Pick up Brand on waivers?

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franklin

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He'd make a solid backup and the Jazz would have an old All Star to teach Kanter and Favors a few things. Makes trading Jefferson much easier.


**Edit** TPE works for waivers right?
 
franklin said:
He'd make a solid backup and the Jazz would have an old All Star to teach Kanter and Favors a few things. Makes trading Jefferson much easier.


**Edit** TPE works for waivers right?
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure cap space is the only thing that works for amnesty waivers.
 
In order to submit a bid for a partial waiver claim, the bidding team must have cap room equivalent to the portion of their bid that would be charged to team salary in that season, plus the amount of any likely bonuses (see question number 72) for that season. If necessary, teams can create this cap room by waiving non-guaranteed players, but not by making trades. The team must make the cap room available immediately upon being awarded the amnesty claim.
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https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67
 
If the Mavs somehow get Brand and Calderon through the waivers (if Calderon gets amnestied) they could keep the ship afloat for a year at least.
 
I think the TPE could be used for the amnesty waiver wire, which are existing contracts.

I'm trying to find details of the Billups acquisition by LAC last offseason to confirm this. I can't find their pre-trade salary yet or if nobody else bid on Billups, so it might not yield anything.
 
franklin said:
I think the TPE could be used for the amnesty waiver wire, which are existing contracts.

I'm trying to find details of the Billups acquisition by LAC last offseason to confirm this. I can't find their pre-trade salary yet or if nobody else bid on Billups, so it might not yield anything.
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Here's an idea of their pre-trade salary: https://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/2011/clippers.jsp

This page was updated 5/31/11. I'm not great at understanding all the cap holds and so forth, but the biggest number on there including cap holds is $65,762,742. On 12/12 they claimed Billups off the amnesty waiver with a $2m bid. To clear room for that they probably just renounced the rights to Jamario Moon and/or Craig Smith, which would clear some cap holds. Then just an hour after that they matched an offer sheet for Deandre Jordan that paid him $10m or so last year. They had to wait to match until after they got Billups though because Jordan only had a cap hold of $1m and adding that extra $9m put them back over the cap.
 
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Nice work. I've been waiting to rep another post of yours so stand in line behind yourself.

nightmare3983 said:
Then just an hour after that they matched an offer sheet for Deandre Jordan that paid him $10m or so last year. They had to wait to match until after they got Billups though because Jordan only had a cap hold of $1m and adding that extra $9m put them back over the cap.
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There were questions yesterday whether or not an offer sheet counts as a cap hold. This seems to answer that and fits into the narrative of last December. Clippers GM confirmed that Jordan's offer from GSW didn't count as a cap hold:

Clippers general manager Neil Olshey had hinted at these moves when he spoke to reporters earlier in the day.

"There are strategic reasons, there are some sequential transactions that have to happen first," he said, when asked whether the team would match Jordan's offer sheet. "We've still got $3.5 million in cap room and before we give up that flexibility we have to exhaust every opportunity that we have to use the remaining cap room we have.
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https://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba...den-state-warriors-offer-sheet-deandre-jordan
 
I believe an offer sheet would only count as a cap hold for the team making the offer, which is why the time to match decreased to 3 days in the new CBA.
 
nightmare3983 said:
I believe an offer sheet would only count as a cap hold for the team making the offer, which is why the time to match decreased to 3 days in the new CBA.
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This makes sense and is fair as a team with an RFA can use their cap space and then re-sign the player for an amount above the cap hold. I don't see why the player signing an offer sheet elsewhere should take this maneuverability away from a team.
 
franklin said:
This makes sense and is fair as a team with an RFA can use their cap space and then re-sign the player for an amount above the cap hold. I don't see why the player signing an offer sheet elsewhere should take this maneuverability away from a team.
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RFA is definitely a double-edged sword. On the one hand, other teams signing guys to offer sheets can make toxic offers. On the other hand, the RFA's original team can make up their minds early and make the other team wait a few days. I personally think that if a team signs someone to an offer sheet that is heavily front loaded or backloaded, the original team should have 5 days to decide. For all other offer sheets keep it at 3 days. Teams should have some more consequences (like waiting a couple more days) for making their toxic offers.
 
and by definition, if teams have cap room then they don’t have trade exceptions.
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Hey franky, you didn't happen to ask him about the discussion we were having the other night, did you?
 
Ok so if he get cut he is guaranteed at least the 18M Philly owes him right?

Now if he gets picked up for say 6M. Does that mean Philly pays 12M & and the new team pays 6M or Philly pays the 18M & the new team pays 6M?
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
Ok so if he get cut he is guaranteed at least the 18M Philly owes him right?

Now if he gets picked up for say 6M. Does that mean Philly pays 12M & and the new team pays 6M or Philly pays the 18M & the new team pays 6M?
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Philly would pay 12m and the new team 6m.
 
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