Quin needs to make a change

[fishonjazz]

I think quin might over-thinking things.

I think he is trying to get scoring off the bench. So he brings Trey Burke and Alec off the bench.

He wants spacing with the starters. So he starts hood.

He wants a guy that is unselfish and not going to shoot to much so his two main guys will get more shots. So he starts neto

He doesn't want to mess with the rotations too much simply because a player gets injured. So he continues to bring booker off the bench and starts lyles.


I think he needs to just keep it simple. Start the best players. Play them the most minutes.

Start trey, burks, hayward, booker, and favors. Play them each 30+ minutes. Maybe we will keep up with other teams starters that way.
Maybe neto, lyles, and hood will be more successful going against backups. I dont think neto and lyles, as below average rookies in the first place, are ready to go up against starting caliber nba players. Seems like they are being set up to fail.

 

[Gameface]

I think quin might over-thinking things.

I think he is trying to get scoring off the bench. So he brings Trey Burke and Alec off the bench.

He wants spacing with the starters. So he starts hood.

He wants a guy that is unselfish and not going to shoot to much so his two main guys will get more shots. So he starts neto

He doesn't want to mess with the rotations too much simply because a player gets injured. So he continues to bring booker off the bench and starts lyles.


I think he needs to just keep it simple. Start the best players. Play them the most minutes.

Start trey, burks, hayward, booker, and favors. Play them each 30+ minutes. Maybe we will keep up with other teams starters that way.
Maybe neto, lyles, and hood will be more successful going against backups. I dont think neto and lyles, as below average rookies in the first place, are ready to go up against starting caliber nba players. Seems like they are being set up to fail.

I agree. Hood isn't providing much spacing anyway shooting as poorly as he has this year. Maybe he finds his groove with the second unit. Burke isn't my favorite player, at all, but he's a better player than Neto. Neto isn't providing spacing, isn't really a threat, and we are getting eaten alive by teams that have an average or above average PG. And preserving the second unit line-up shouldn't be a significant priority, especially at the cost of the first unit. Booker is our best option with Gobert out.

I don't think Quin's thought process is bad, but once you give it a shot and it doesn't really work you kind of need to move on to the next bright idea and let this one go.

 

[MDAV28]

I'm with Quin on this one. I like how the lineups are being handled for the most part. Think about the bench unit... Neto, Hood, Lyles, Ingles/Elijah/Johnson, Withey. That could be the worst bench unit in the league.

We just cracked the top 10 in offensive rating, our defense is obviously struggling without Rudy and Dante but we have turned it around and are having a pretty successful season on the offensive end.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think Quin's thought process is bad

I agree with this as well. I get what he is trying to do, but like you said, its time for him to try something different. Its like hayward is playing by himself in these first quarters.

 

[MDAV28]

A couple of stats that of course have to do with matchups but I'll throw them out there:

Neto/Hood/Hayward/Lyles/Favors have played 54:10 minutes together and net points (points minus opponent points) are +8.8

Burke/Burks/Hayward/Booker/Favors have played 47:04 minutes together and net points are +3.2

*net rating numbers are per 100 possesions

 

[Miggs]

I'm with Quin on this one. I like how the lineups are being handled for the most part. Think about the bench unit... Neto, Hood, Lyles, Ingles/Elijah/Johnson, Withey. That could be the worst bench unit in the league.

We just cracked the top 10 in offensive rating, our defense is obviously struggling without Rudy and Dante but we have turned it around and are having a pretty successful season on the offensive end.

IAWTP. Plus it has to do with chemistry. Favors and Hayward need a lot of shots. I don't want Burke and Burks mucking that up. Heck, that could be why we stink in waning moments. We have too many guys who could take the shot and the roles aren't clearly defined per se.

 

[MDAV28]

IAWTP. Plus it has to do with chemistry. Favors and Hayward need a lot of shots. I don't want Burke and Burks mucking that up. Heck, that could be why we stink in waning moments. We have too many guys who could take the shot and the roles aren't clearly defined per se.

This is a good point. Trey took most of the shots from Hayward and Favors last night. I mean he was hitting them for the most part so there is no complaint there.

 

[Getting Traded]

It's worth a try. Maybe Hood will get back his confidence playing with the second unit. He would be the main guy then. The thing about Booker is he brings in a spark off the bench that might be good to maintain. By starting Burke and Burks, you get that added offense, and that can make up for starting Lyles -- it also gives him some good experience to develop. So, I would go for 2 / 3 changes.

 

[NAOS]

Think about the bench unit... Neto, Hood, Lyles, Ingles/Elijah/Johnson, Withey. That could be the worst bench unit in the league.

I thought we had too many cakks and pies?

 

[magic]

I think quin might over-thinking things.

I think he is trying to get scoring off the bench. So he brings Trey Burke and Alec off the bench.

He wants spacing with the starters. So he starts hood.

He wants a guy that is unselfish and not going to shoot to much so his two main guys will get more shots. So he starts neto

He doesn't want to mess with the rotations too much simply because a player gets injured. So he continues to bring booker off the bench and starts lyles.


I think he needs to just keep it simple. Start the best players. Play them the most minutes.

Start trey, burks, hayward, booker, and favors. Play them each 30+ minutes. Maybe we will keep up with other teams starters that way.
Maybe neto, lyles, and hood will be more successful going against backups. I dont think neto and lyles, as below average rookies in the first place, are ready to go up against starting caliber nba players. Seems like they are being set up to fail.

Dude you act as if Burke and Burks will have the same affect against starting units as they do against 2nd units. When Burks started for the Jazz against Orlando, he was 2 for 13 from the field and in general sucked.

But Hood should probably be benched for a different reason. Maybe benching him will give him the incentive to shoot better and play the way he did towards the end of last season. And he might develop good chemistry with Trey. Either way, something needs to be done about his regression.

As for Trey starting, I'll agree with you that Trey>>>Neto. But the bench needs some scoring, so until we find someone better than Neto as a placeholder, Trey needs to come off the bench.

 

[Game6Conley]

First thing that comes to mind about all this is just how avoidable it was, if they signed the right bench players.

(was that done on purpose? who knows. It is what it is)

There's a few layers of complexities involved as it stands now;

-Trey and Alec look like viable NBA backcourt in this current role/minutes rotation -- Snyder might not want to tinker with it, both are currently playing their best ball.

-Perhaps they think Trey's better off getting some early minutes vs subs to see the ball go in the net? Or so he doesn't take too many shots early in the game to sway his confidence? Either way it's working for him well thus far. Obviously he'd rather be starting, it's not like he doesn't have the opportunity to force their hand though -- It's early.

- Certainly Snyder's aware that the bench production would turn into a huge question mark starting the lineup; Burks - Burke - Hayward - Lyles - Favors. What has me wondering is - Could Hood find his shooting touch in high volume shot attempts, in that 6th man role?? Can he continue to average near 3 boards and assists doing that? (next to Neto-Ingles-Booker-Withey)

 

[Jamezz]

I think quin might over-thinking things.

I think he is trying to get scoring off the bench. So he brings Trey Burke and Alec off the bench.

He wants spacing with the starters. So he starts hood.

He wants a guy that is unselfish and not going to shoot to much so his two main guys will get more shots. So he starts neto

He doesn't want to mess with the rotations too much simply because a player gets injured. So he continues to bring booker off the bench and starts lyles.


I think he needs to just keep it simple. Start the best players. Play them the most minutes.

Start trey, burks, hayward, booker, and favors. Play them each 30+ minutes. Maybe we will keep up with other teams starters that way.
Maybe neto, lyles, and hood will be more successful going against backups. I dont think neto and lyles, as below average rookies in the first place, are ready to go up against starting caliber nba players. Seems like they are being set up to fail.

Solid post, good points.

 

[tleikheen]

Keep Trey Burks as that 6th man,let him continue working on his offensive game.He's getting pretty good at getting points and can stay in the League focusing his game there.
Next year when Exum is back ,I expect the speed to Utah's offense and defense to dramatically improve,which will make Burke even more valuable off the bench.
I wouldn't give up on Burks,Hood,Hayward,Lyles Favors at this time.With Burke and Booker as energizers from the bench and Ingles the savvy glue guy and 3pt shooter.

 

[zman1527]

Neto isn't providing spacing, isn't really a threat, and we are getting eaten alive by teams that have an average or above average PG.

That part is not on Neto, he defends better than TB. Putting TB in to start would make that worse.

 

[zman1527]

This is a good point. Trey took most of the shots from Hayward and Favors last night. I mean he was hitting them for the most part so there is no complaint there.

I cringe though whenever I see that box score and see Tb with the most shots on the team. I doubt that gives the opposing coach any heartburn.

 

[NAOS]

I cringe though whenever I see that box score and see Tb with the most shots on the team. I doubt that gives the opposing coach any heartburn.

it's a sure sign that the opponents' defensive game plan was well-executed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I thought we had too many cakks and pies?

We needs some cookies...

 

[zman1527]

it's a sure sign that the opponents' defensive game plan was well-executed.

And TB took the bait. LOL

Can't be too hard on him, he is playing better. But I would love to see him stop shooting when he is on the floor with Hay and/or Favs and focus on feeding them. He has shown he can and will run the PNR well with Favs but he does not seem to ever get an assist with Gordon.

 

[NAOS]

And TB took the bait. LOL

Can't be too hard on him, he is playing better. But I would love to see him stop shooting when he is on the floor with Hay and/or Favs and focus on feeding them. He has shown he can and will run the PNR well with Favs but he does not seem to ever get an assist with Gordon.

Just for clarity: I'm definitely not saying he shouldn't have taken those shots. That's another discussion. What I am saying is the defense is taking away better options. That's all.

 

[gomretat]

If Rudy is not hurt we are not even having this discussion because we have more W's and there is no need to second guess. And I imagine they are considering a different role for Hood based upon how much he is struggling. So that part of the change is probably inevitable.