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Rockets going hard after Jimmy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/rocket...ts-jimmy-butler-trade-rumors-draft-picks/amp/

4 back end picks. Hmmmm

A trade like this, what would it mean for our jazz

Would not be backend picks in the latter years imo. Trading picks that far out is dangerous. Lakers Heat and of course BKN made that mistake.

Short term move... there is only one ball and Harden, CP and Jimmy all need it. Would certainly be good, but if he left after the year they'd be in trouble. I don't see CP or Harden aging gracefully and Jimmy has some injury concerns. That locker room would be pretty rough too imo.

Low key this could be a stealth money saving trade... Houston squeezed Capela, let Ariza walk, and I think they may have backed out of the 5th year promise they gave Paul under a previous owner (this is complete guess on my part... CP passed up 5 year mega deal with clips and gave up some serious dough which allowed Rockets to get him... think there was some wink wink stuff going on).

If they sent EG, Brandon Knight, and Chriss to Minny for Butler and Taj... and then Jimmy walks at the end of the year it saves Houston $30M+. If he re-signs a max there then the LT bill will get bananas. No way he will pay it. They could trade Jimmy next year, but it'd be a huge health gamble.
 
Houston's going to blow their future to try and compete with GS again. I think they already had their shot and won't get that opportunity again.

This is a Nets type of move

They could have just kept Ariza and LMM and tried to run it back. This seems quite desperate... depending on the pick protections. Morey generally wins these trades.

I'm telling you guys this new owner might be causing some problems for the team and Morey.
 
Stars joining stars. When does it end?
It is the new norm in the NBA. The teams that can lure in 3-4 stars or 2 really solid stars and a few fringe, will be the powerhouses. Everyone else will be the also-rans. GS set the standard, not just from a team perspective, but from the players' perspective. They see that, hey, take a few mill less (what is 5 million when you are signing a deal for 100 mill. most will take 90 instead to guarantee the ring), and make the path to the ring that much easier. All-star teams against what would amount to practice teams will always win, and the players know it, and the teams know it.

My fear is it will escalate and possibly break the league. Money is so big now that it isn't a factor anymore. In the past, the idea of you making 8 mill per year or 18 or 20 mill as the sole big dog helped drive some level of parity as it spread out the talent. But now the 2nd tier guys are looking at 22 mill to be the man, or 18 mill to guarantee the ring. Extrapolate that over 5 seasons and what difference does it really make? They can spend their younger years at the 18 mill, get 3 rings playing in the desirable places (California, East coast, no one wants to play in the middle states, let alone places like Utah), then sign a max with a team desperate to maybe break into the top tier (say, Utah), and still get their money while being the star. Win-win for the players, lose-lose for the league as a whole and most of the teams.

If we ended up with 3 powerhouses in the west and 3 in the east, and the rest fighting at just around .500, with a few tanking to try to add the next star that will help their team rise through the ranks to maybe bring in the big boys, well the league will be unwatchable then. What fun will it be to know that the best you can hope for with your team is a string of moral victories and maybe reaching the 2nd round of the playoffs until the 2 teams that went 64 wins+ from the conference inevitably duke it out in the CF to see who gets to get their ring this year?

TL;DR - eventually we could see places like LA, GS, Miami, NY, Boston just become ring mills, while the rest are there to maybe sell some merchandise and make sure the TV revenue keeps the ring mills running.
 
I like this for HOU. They've got no problem attracting FAs, so drafts aren't really all that important to them. They could be contending this year easily if they have Jimmy.
 
That'd be quite the gamble by the Rockets. I think it's a bad move for them.

I Heard Butler is expecting a 5 year max. Rockets willing to pay that? I doubt it. 4 picks for a year rental? wtf? Bad move.

Edit: What if a key player gets injured and Houston doesn't get to compete for a title? Risk losing a decade for a one time shot at the title?
 
You do that in a heartbeat if you're Houston.

(edit) just realized Butler is a FA after this season and Rockets can't pay him the max- so he walks. They still aren't beating GS- so you don't do this deal if you're Houston, imo.
 
That'd be quite the gamble by the Rockets. I think it's a bad move for them.

I Heard Butler is expecting a 5 year max. Rockets willing to pay that? I doubt it. 4 picks for a year rental? wtf? Bad move.

Edit: What if a key player gets injured and Houston doesn't get to compete for a title? Risk losing a decade for a one time shot at the title?

I'm with you here. When CP pulls a hammy its MCW time and you toast.
 
If this trade does go down it'll be a major cog in the future lockout.
Small market teams currently have a teeny sliver of a chance to win a title. Super teams have become a major issue.
The only way to fix this nonsense is to eliminate max contracts and have a real hard salary cap.

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It is the new norm in the NBA. The teams that can lure in 3-4 stars or 2 really solid stars and a few fringe, will be the powerhouses. Everyone else will be the also-rans. GS set the standard, not just from a team perspective, but from the players' perspective. They see that, hey, take a few mill less (what is 5 million when you are signing a deal for 100 mill. most will take 90 instead to guarantee the ring), and make the path to the ring that much easier. All-star teams against what would amount to practice teams will always win, and the players know it, and the teams know it.

My fear is it will escalate and possibly break the league. Money is so big now that it isn't a factor anymore. In the past, the idea of you making 8 mill per year or 18 or 20 mill as the sole big dog helped drive some level of parity as it spread out the talent. But now the 2nd tier guys are looking at 22 mill to be the man, or 18 mill to guarantee the ring. Extrapolate that over 5 seasons and what difference does it really make? They can spend their younger years at the 18 mill, get 3 rings playing in the desirable places (California, East coast, no one wants to play in the middle states, let alone places like Utah), then sign a max with a team desperate to maybe break into the top tier (say, Utah), and still get their money while being the star. Win-win for the players, lose-lose for the league as a whole and most of the teams.

If we ended up with 3 powerhouses in the west and 3 in the east, and the rest fighting at just around .500, with a few tanking to try to add the next star that will help their team rise through the ranks to maybe bring in the big boys, well the league will be unwatchable then. What fun will it be to know that the best you can hope for with your team is a string of moral victories and maybe reaching the 2nd round of the playoffs until the 2 teams that went 64 wins+ from the conference inevitably duke it out in the CF to see who gets to get their ring this year?

TL;DR - eventually we could see places like LA, GS, Miami, NY, Boston just become ring mills, while the rest are there to maybe sell some merchandise and make sure the TV revenue keeps the ring mills running.

Didn't read the whole thing cuz it is long AF. The thing about GS that makes them amazing is that 3 of their guys are amazing shooters and the other max guy does all the dirty work and doesn't want to shoot. Makes them exponentially tougher to guard. Jimmy/CP/Harden are all fine off ball, but do their best work with the ball in their hands. I don't know that the super team thing becomes so prevalent that the other teams can't compete. The Heat lost to the Mavs and should have lost to the Spurs (twice... the lost once.) That team had Wade, Bron, and Bosh had to sacrifice. Who sacrifices for Houston? Prime Wade/Bron/Bosh better than aging Rocket trio.
 
If this trade does go down it'll be a major cog in the future lockout.
Small market teams currently have a teeny sliver of a chance to win a title. Super teams have become a major issue.
The only way to fix this nonsense is to eliminate max contracts and have a real hard salary cap.

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Ain't scared. Makes them better this year but I have lots of doubts about that deal long-term.
 
This wreaks of another bad new owner that vacillates in their long term vision and wants to meddle with their new toy.
 
For a team with titles, Houston is really putting themselves out there with this. So bold. As a Jazz fan, I like it.

GS and Houston, even with Butler, are only contenders for a couple more years. Hell, Durant might leave this summer. Our time is over the next decade. I would hate this trade for this year, but it doesn't scare me long term (maybe from a Minny perspective).

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Also, if the deal is Knight and Chriss plus the picks for Jimmy it adds another $10M or so to the current year's payroll. If the keep EG and Jimmy next year you are looking at like 50-60M in luxury tax next year.
 
If this trade does go down it'll be a major cog in the future lockout.
Small market teams currently have a teeny sliver of a chance to win a title. Super teams have become a major issue.
The only way to fix this nonsense is to eliminate max contracts and have a real hard salary cap.

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Uhh, wut? 4 first round picks.
 
Super teams aren't an issue. Good lord. The NBA loves super teams. It helps ratings. Don't be such cry babies.

If Houston is willing to trade 4 first and incur a giant tax bill then let them. Its fair.
 
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