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aaaaaaaaand I said this waaaaaaaaaaaay back when the trade was made. I threw up all over my keyboard reading it.
 
yamers said:
aaaaaaaaand I said this waaaaaaaaaaaay back when the trade was made. I threw up all over my keyboard reading it.
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Everybody said it when the trade was made. In fact, everybody was saying it a month before when Locke started suggesting it.

ETA: oh, and when reports came out about Hayward wanting him I was wonder WTF was wrong with his head.
 
infection said:
Everybody said it when the trade was made. In fact, everybody was saying it a month before when Locke started suggesting it.

ETA: oh, and when reports came out about Hayward wanting him I was wonder WTF was wrong with his head.
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I really wish DL would have just told him that is a bad idea... like when your kids are like I want a muscle car when they turn 16... like sometimes you just say I hear you but that won't fit... we have money we will get someone experienced.

I'm just not sure Rubio was ever a needle mover... if it was we could have figured out a deal once FA began or if Minny needed to move him urgently just called their bluff and gave up less.
 
infection said:
Everybody said it when the trade was made. In fact, everybody was saying it a month before when Locke started suggesting it.

ETA: oh, and when reports came out about Hayward wanting him I was wonder WTF was wrong with his head.
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Yeah, I was very against trading for him early when it was rumors. Once we traded for him I tried to convince myself he could work, that lasted until November.
 
infection said:
Everybody said it when the trade was made. In fact, everybody was saying it a month before when Locke started suggesting it.

ETA: oh, and when reports came out about Hayward wanting him I was wonder WTF was wrong with his head.
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I mean, Rubio before coming to Utah was always a positive impact player on the Wolves. I would understand why anyone could talk themselves into Rubio, especially as a player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, Rubio before coming to Utah was always a positive impact player on the Wolves. I would understand why anyone could talk themselves into Rubio, especially as a player.
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I remember always wanting rubio to play as much as possible vs us cos he was NEVER positive impact player.
 
I have to admit, I thought we made a good move acquiring him. Getting a solid player for draft pick... but 29.2% on shots behind the arc just sucks. Touche Minny. You got us.
 
yamers said:
I remember always wanting rubio to play as much as possible vs us cos he was NEVER positive impact player.
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Then you have a ****** memory and are too stupid to look up advanced lineup data from his time with the Wolves.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, Rubio before coming to Utah was always a positive impact player on the Wolves. I would understand why anyone could talk themselves into Rubio, especially as a player.
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Yeah, but people complaining about getting Rubio wasn't just a "it won't work because he sucks" belief. It was for the specific reasons that he cannot shoot the ball, Gobert cannot shoot the ball, and our offense does not rely on a primary distributor. Those are the exact reasons this has been such an epic failure. It wasn't just about a broken clock being right twice per day.
 
I don't think the Jazz or anyone who was in favor of the trade envisioned this kind of system back in late June, and the truth is it's a terrible fit for Ricky and it's no wonder it isn't working.

Now, I don't blame Snyder for running an offense based on so many hand-offs and movement around the perimeter instead of running more pick and roll with Rubio and relying more on him as a creator and passer instead of a spot-up shooter (and an uncapable one), because Ricky didn't click with Rudy at the beginning and then everything changed with Gobert's injury and DM breaking out so early in the season and demanding the ball much more than expected. But I think what most of us envisioned when the trade happened was a more Rubio-centric offense, similar to what he's excelled at before, with a strong pnr finisher (which Gobert hasn't been this year, not by a long stretch) and hopefully a couple scorers around them with an emphasys on 3-point shooting. Unfortunately the free agency probably had a part too in how everything has gone down eventually. The Jazz could not retain Hayward and they did not get any scoring help after that.

Also, for whatever reason this team refuses to run the fastbreak. It's not just that the pace is incredibly slow despite their need for easy scoring opportunities and the fact that they allow defenses plenty of time to settle. It's the fact that they actively refuse to run after after a rebound and even after a steal, unless the ball is stolen at the point of attack and there's no other option but to run ahead. I have barely seen Rubio try any of his trademark cross-court passes this season, and there's usually no one on the other end to received them anyway. Again not what I expected reading DL's and Snyder's thoughts back in the summer.
 
Sugarless said:
I don't think the Jazz or anyone who was in favor of the trade envisioned this kind of system back in late June, and the truth is it's a terrible fit for Ricky and it's no wonder it isn't working.

Now, I don't blame Snyder for running an offense based on so many hand-offs and movement around the perimeter instead of running more pick and roll with Rubio and relying more on him as a creator and passer instead of a spot-up shooter (and an uncapable one), because Ricky didn't click with Rudy at the beginning and then everything changed with Gobert's injury and DM breaking out so early in the season and demanding the ball much more than expected. But I think what most of us envisioned when the trade happened was a more Rubio-centric offense, similar to what he's excelled at before, with a strong pnr finisher (which Gobert hasn't been this year, not by a long stretch) and hopefully a couple scorers around them with an emphasys on 3-point shooting. Unfortunately the free agency probably had a part too in how everything has gone down eventually. The Jazz could not retain Hayward and they did not get any scoring help after that.

Also, for whatever reason this team refuses to run the fastbreak. It's not just that the pace is incredibly slow despite their need for easy scoring opportunities and the fact that they allow defenses plenty of time to settle. It's the fact that they actively refuse to run after after a rebound and even after a steal, unless the ball is stolen at the point of attack and there's no other option but to run ahead. I have barely seen Rubio try any of his trademark cross-court passes this season, and there's usually no one on the other end to received them anyway. Again not what I expected reading DL's and Snyder's thoughts back in the summer.
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He's excelled at a Rubio centric offense so much that he's never even come close to sniffing the playoffs. Face it this was never a good trade for Utah and it seems that it was doomed to fail all along. Time to bench him behind 14 other Jazz players and move on. Every single player on our roster gets worse when Rubio plays. Except Jerebko.
 
I said it first. In fact, my father said it cause it was taught to him growing up. His father thought it first and cried it out while half way out of the womb.
 
Either Quin is the biggest ****ing moron in the league or he's in on the tank. I have a tough time seeing anything in-between.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Either Quin is the biggest ****ing moron in the league or he's in on the tank. I have a tough time seeing anything in-between.
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Trying to push players' trade value till the deadline? I'll withhold judgement on what he's thinking too much until he's still starting Rubio after the trade deadline.
 
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