Stockton IS involved with the Jazz

[Stifle Tower]

Very interesting article in the DNews by Doug Robinson on Lindsey. Man is INTENSE and his wfe and kids take a 6-week vacation to let him focus 100% on basketball from before the draft-summer league. Most of the info we have heard already, but a couple of new tidbits...Stockton helped evaluate PG's and Sloan was the one who really loved Gobert (in addition to the international scout). I've got a massive mancrush on Dennis now! He's really taken the FO to a new level.

"At the request of the Jazz, Hall of Fame guard John Stockton reviewed video of point guards and provided his opinions on the prospects. Jerry Sloan, the former head coach who returned to the team as a consultant, spotted Gobert during pre-draft workouts and reported, “The big guy plays hard; you need to look at him.” O’Connor, the team’s vice president of basketball operations, might have pulled off the biggest behind-the-scenes contribution.

“Two hours before the draft, Kevin got us some key draft information that indicated we needed to trade up to get Burke or we wouldn’t have gotten him,” says Lindsey. “If we stayed at 14, he felt like we were not going to get Burke or the other pool players. Kevin nailed the intel because of his network. He said this is what’s going to happen, and that’s exactly what happened.”"

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ey-making-his-mark-on-the-Utah-Jazz.html?pg=1

 

[spycam1]

I wish there was a quote on what exactly Stockton thinks of Burke.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I wish there was a quote on what exactly Stockton thinks of Burke.

Found this in the trashcan in Lindsey's office: "Dear Dennis, Trey Burke is a true pass-first PG which the Jazz haven't had since #12 retired. I think he has the potential to be the 2nd best PG in Jazz history. Sincerely, John Stockton"

 

[Weezur]

I'm not surprised that Stockton is involved.
His fake twitter account welcomed Trey Burke to the team today

 

[The Midnight]

Wow.. would be awesome if Stockton was the one who singled out Burke for the PG role over McCollum and McW.


If that's the case - don't rule out Burke spending some time with Stockton himself this Summer...


Wow... this Summer just keeps getting better and BETTER!!

 

[The Midnight]

Very interesting article in the DNews by Doug Robinson on Lindsey. Man is INTENSE and his wfe and kids take a 6-week vacation to let him focus 100% on basketball from before the draft-summer league. Most of the info we have heard already, but a couple of new tidbits...Stockton helped evaluate PG's and Sloan was the one who really loved Gobert (in addition to the international scout). I've got a massive mancrush on Dennis now! He's really taken the FO to a new level.

"At the request of the Jazz, Hall of Fame guard John Stockton reviewed video of point guards and provided his opinions on the prospects. Jerry Sloan, the former head coach who returned to the team as a consultant, spotted Gobert during pre-draft workouts and reported, “The big guy plays hard; you need to look at him.” O’Connor, the team’s vice president of basketball operations, might have pulled off the biggest behind-the-scenes contribution.

“Two hours before the draft, Kevin got us some key draft information that indicated we needed to trade up to get Burke or we wouldn’t have gotten him,” says Lindsey. “If we stayed at 14, he felt like we were not going to get Burke or the other pool players. Kevin nailed the intel because of his network. He said this is what’s going to happen, and that’s exactly what happened.”"

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ey-making-his-mark-on-the-Utah-Jazz.html?pg=1

Now, this to me is the most interesting part about this whole draft.

What exactly is this piece of information? How did KOC get the information? Was the way that he got it legit?

- If it's legit, how come nobody else in the league got it?

- If it's not legit (i.e., KOC had a spy) then how could Lindsey have paraded around this "key information" after the draft????

- And why 2 hours before the draft?

- Who helped us to get this info? If it was another team's GM - why would another team want to help us by giving us that piece of info?

- If it was an "under the table" type deal, why would Lindsey tell the whole world about this?? He even said it at the Press Conference!!!



Can someone shine some light on this please? PKM, may be you know something???

 

[green]

Simple. Teams leaked the info to MULTIPLE teams to drive up the price. We gave the best offer.

 

[The Midnight]

Simple. Teams leaked the info to MULTIPLE teams to drive up the price. We gave the best offer.

If that's the case, then the info is nothing special, correct? Then why would Dennis parade this fact around as if KOC was our saviour? The whole league would be laughing at KOC/Lindsey combo if what you're saying is true.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

If that's the case, then the info is nothing special, correct? Then why would Dennis parade this fact around as if KOC was our saviour? The whole league would be laughing at KOC/Lindsey combo if what you're saying is true.

Lindsey is just trying be a good dude. Trying to pump up KOC to the media fans to make him look good. In addition to being a phenomenal GM, he's an all around nice guy. Watch out, Chuck Norris.

 

[Beantown]

Now, this to me is the most interesting part about this whole draft.

What exactly is this piece of information? How did KOC get the information? Was the way that he got it legit?

- If it's legit, how come nobody else in the league got it?

- If it's not legit (i.e., KOC had a spy) then how could Lindsey have paraded around this "key information" after the draft????

- And why 2 hours before the draft?

- Who helped us to get this info? If it was another team's GM - why would another team want to help us by giving us that piece of info?

- If it was an "under the table" type deal, why would Lindsey tell the whole world about this?? He even said it at the Press Conference!!!



Can someone shine some light on this please? PKM, may be you know something???

The information was that Celtics were going to get the Mavs 13th pick from the and get Olynk.

 

[The Midnight]

The information was that Celtics were going to get the Mavs 13th pick from the and get Olynk.

Yeah, now we're getting warmer. I think this is the piece of info Lindsey was referring to. It enabled us to prepare for a deal with Minny beforehand.

The question is then - how did KOC get that info??? Was it legit or under the table or what?? What did we have to "pay" to get that info.

 

[Ben10]

The information was that Celtics were going to get the Mavs 13th pick from the and get Olynk.

That is the speculation. I know thats what Locke threw out there, He knows that the the Jazz really wanted Olynik and when they found out he was going to be gone at 13 it really pushed them in to trading up.

 

[vegas]

All good businessmen have great networking skills. I don't have a problem believing it at face value that another GM/GMs gave him a heads up because they have that type of relationship.

 

[Ben10]

Yeah, now we're getting warmer. I think this is the piece of info Lindsey was referring to. It enabled us to prepare for a deal with Minny beforehand.

The question is then - how did KOC get that info??? Was it legit or under the table or what?? What did we have to "pay" to get that info.

He might have been trying to work a deal with Dallas at the time to get there pick and they told him no because they had a trade in place with Boston. And Boston had said they really wanted Olynik. knowing that and that Boston would now be picking in front of the Jazz might be all there is to it.

 

[Deleted member 848]

KOC was a stud too, y'all. Don't go on forgetting now. Him and Lindsey are just running circles round the NBA right meow. It's not even fair

 

[Stifle Tower]

That is the speculation. I know thats what Locke threw out there, He knows that the the Jazz really wanted Olynik and when they found out he was going to be gone at 13 it really pushed them in to trading up.

That would be my guess. I think the Jazz would have been willing to trade up into the 6-9 range for two players: Zeller and Burke. Possibly McCollum had Trey been taken by Detroit. Had they stayed at #14, they were probably targeting Olynyk, especially after his shooting display during their workout. Then they may have tried to buy a pick to combine with the $21 to move up for Larkin or Schroeder. I know we still need a stretch 4, but I couldn't be happier that the draft unfolded the way it did.

Kevin definitely has friends around the league. Could have been one of Boston's rivals hoping he would then trade ahead of the Celtics and screw up their plans. Philly perhaps? Could have even been an agent.

 

[cowhide]

Found this in the trashcan in Lindsey's office: "Dear Dennis, Trey Burke is a true pass-first PG which the Jazz haven't had since #12 retired. I think he has the potential to be the 2nd best PG in Jazz history. Sincerely, John Stockton"

Thanks for making me laugh. That was classic.

 

[green]

That would be my guess. I think the Jazz would have been willing to trade up into the 6-9 range for two players: Zeller and Burke. Possibly McCollum had Trey been taken by Detroit. Had they stayed at #14, they were probably targeting Olynyk, especially after his shooting display during their workout. Then they may have tried to buy a pick to combine with the $21 to move up for Larkin or Schroeder. I know we still need a stretch 4, but I couldn't be happier that the draft unfolded the way it did.

Kevin definitely has friends around the league. Could have been one of Boston's rivals hoping he would then trade ahead of the Celtics and screw up their plans. Philly perhaps? Could have even been an agent.

I think this is what happened. They thought they could get Olynyk at #14. When KOC found out that Olynyk would be gone, he knew that they were stuck with crap. I don't think the Jazz thought they would get a pg at #14. I think they thought they would draft Olynyk. They found out Olynyk was going to be gone and their options were Larkin, Shroeder, Gobbert...aka...crap for the #14 pick. So, two hours before the draft, they ramped up trade deals with teams. Then the Jazz LUCKED out in having Burke fall. There was no need for Portland, Minnesota to get a pg. McCollum is valuable because you can run him with a pg. You can't do that with Burke. So, Burke fell to Minnesota, Minnesota could draft Shabazz or trade with Utah and pick up #21 along the way.

So, I think the source was legit, and was helping KOC out, not hurting anyone else. It was more of a "hey, dude, you got nothing at #14, get to work" type thing, and with the draft going nutso, we were able to snag Burke. The stars just aligned.

 

[The Midnight]

That would be my guess. I think the Jazz would have been willing to trade up into the 6-9 range for two players: Zeller and Burke. Possibly McCollum had Trey been taken by Detroit. Had they stayed at #14, they were probably targeting Olynyk, especially after his shooting display during their workout. Then they may have tried to buy a pick to combine with the $21 to move up for Larkin or Schroeder. I know we still need a stretch 4, but I couldn't be happier that the draft unfolded the way it did.

Kevin definitely has friends around the league. Could have been one of Boston's rivals hoping he would then trade ahead of the Celtics and screw up their plans. Philly perhaps? Could have even been an agent.

This is all good stuff. I guess the agent thing is a possibility... but Burke's agent is his dad though, so not sure if he has enough connections to pull something like this off.

- It couldn't have been Boston (because they want Olynyk, so there is no need for them to tell us their plans)

- Similarly with DAL - no way they want to help us AS WELL AS messing up the BOS/DAL trade.

- Can't be POR, they never help us.

- What would Philly have to gain in us getting the #9 pick? They needed a PG after the Pelicans' trade, why would they risk us taking one of the guys they want?

- OKC? No way they wanna help us.

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One guy I think could have done this is Olynyk's agent? May be he knew that BOS/DAL is working on a deal to get him? So he gives UTA a call as we may move up in front of DAL to grab him, hence Olynyk could go higher?

 

[green]

I can see Boston/Dallas letting KOC know. A gentleman's tip.

"Hey, KOC, we are tight. I know you wanted Olynyk, but Boston's taking him at #13. Don't go get him, but if you any worthwhile player, you better move up."