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babe

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Of course, the political discourse in JazzFanz is "leftwing gutter talk" and "rightwing nutjob rants", because we have a whole team of George Soros' paid stooges holding forth the outdated old political dogma of revolution and elitism/professionalism, and few trolls from the various opposing reactionary knee-jerk dimwits......

So just to transform the whole site, I've linked a speech by a lady who looks for fundamental, unifying ideals essential to making the world a better place.....

https://larouchepac.com/20170421/ideal-highest-humanity-helga-zepp-larouche-day-2-keynote-address

Of course it takes an IQ of at least 5 to actually think coherently, so I have no unrealistic expectations from people like Jason and Colton, but please note.... this lady has actually coordinated a UN resolution, and people in places like Russia and China are actually listening to these ideas.....

give it a listen, and I'll concede it as evidence of an IQ of at least 120.

https://larouchepac.com/20170421/ideal-highest-humanity-helga-zepp-larouche-day-2-keynote-address
 
why not take a break from all this talk till the playoff run is over. it is only till June. then we celebrate the championship.

and the next day we start tearing each other apart again last few years politics has split up the world enough!

just for a few weeks we should not poke the politics bear!

of-course i believe in liberty so you guys are free to do as you please!

but i will not be participating!
 
why not take a break from all this talk till the playoff run is over. it is only till June. then we celebrate the championship.

and the next day we start tearing each other apart again last few years politics has split up the world enough!

just for a few weeks we should not poke the politics bear!

of-course i believe in liberty so you guys are free to do as you please!

but i will not be participating!

Russia and Japan are having peace talks to settle WWII finally. I think Russia will give up some islands that used to belong to Japan.

The new Silk Road is making maritime bases less important. Russia and China will be the trade centers of the world, the new "Londons" of finance.

There will be high-speed MagLev trains going from South Africa to Chile via the Bering Strait tunnel, running 300 mph and requiring no dock on the bay onload/offload. In inland truck yards. You fill up your rail container your customer empties it, in half the time. No friction in transit. Do you know how inefficient propellers are and how much energy it takes to move the water around the bow of your ship. So half the cost, once it's built, and half the time. And that trip is the least of all economic gains with the Silk Road. 30000 miles on rail versus 2000 miles by sea.

And,oh, we'll be done with round one today.
 
An article straight from her:
https://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/greenfascismpromo/pdf/04-09_Greenfascism.pdf

Debating with you seems pointless after you seriously cite this woman as any sort of ideal.

You need to stop thinking so much and just go home or out (or wherever you want) and enjoy your life.

But he's battling the paid propagandists who's job it is to derail meaningful political discussion on Jazzfanz.

You know, Jazzfanz, Ground Zero in the fight between good and evil across the world.
 
But he's battling the paid propagandists who's job it is to derail meaningful political discussion on Jazzfanz.

You know, Jazzfanz, Ground Zero in the fight between good and evil across the world.

nah, it's more like trying to convince Jonestown believers to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. You know, the Reds who blithely believe everything pumped outta the septic tank of Rockefeller Media.

I'm not sure people can agree on what "good" or "evil" consist of, it's a matter of conforming to a pre-fab world view. You read a newspaper, you must just believe it to be "good".

At least there is one universal human value we can agree on. Jazz by seven tonight.
 
nah, it's more like trying to convince Jonestown believers to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. You know, the Reds who blithely believe everything pumped outta the septic tank of Rockefeller Media.

I'm not sure people can agree on what "good" or "evil" consist of, it's a matter of conforming to a pre-fab world view. You read a newspaper, you must just believe it to be "good".

At least there is one universal human value we can agree on. Jazz by seven tonight.

Hey, that's not a veiled reference to your's truly, is it? Lol....

Naw, you must be referring to all the Commies on here...
 
You must be in your own version of hog heaven, babe, with anti-science firmly entrenched in this administration.

Does stuff like this fill your heart with boundless joy, babe?

https://www.apnews.com/a29073ecef9b...low&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

As you ought to recall, my support of Trump, my vote for Trump, and my interest in having the United States as a nation accepting the election of government officials high and low doing regular "transfers of power" according to Constitutional measures, does not mean I ever thought Trump was not an elitist prone to hob-nobbing and doing deals with all the fetid interests we have operating in our free and open society.

At the outset of his candidacy, I was in here openly questioning if Trump was Hillary's "Perot", and his contributions to Clinton political campaigns is a matter of record. I do not believe he is a "Constitutional" thinker or a "Conservative". He apparently does not enter the political arena merely to watch a divided America founder on Clinton's pack of "principles", which I am sure included every fetid crony capitalist that will ever sidle up to Trump.

But you have me on this one. I hate those commercial chemical sprays and I hope we turn instead to water infrastructure capable of supporting the increased food production we need without Corporate Ag interests running amok.

No veiled reference was intended bro.... an open braying about people, all the people, who drink deeply from statist media while insanely believing in "revolutionary principles" whether Marxist or merely a flashback to the Whiskey Rebellion of yore.

I also fear, for the record, the blithe intellectual socialists of the LaRouche cult who dreamily invoke socialist ideals for the great cause of Mankind, so far as they fail to see the true character of people like Franklin Delano Roosevelt in any untoward aspect. We ain't got no Saints in politics, bro.
 
What are "Higher Ideals" in geopolitical matters?

The reason I brought up this link is because it reminds me of the LDS general conference in a couple of ways. Every six months the LDS leaders must reaffirm the basic best points of their faith. Often, it's sleeper stuff alright, but you do get a fairly complete rehash of who Jesus is, what families are good for, and why good people need to help one another.

The UN brings out similar fare whenever there is a new meeting of the "thinking" heads. Everyone agrees we all need to be "good" somehow, everyone agrees that the UN is the Savior of mankind, and everyone agrees that we are just so damn smart we have all the answers already.

Both the LDS and the UN, in my view, are the worst of all possible "leaders". We just don't need a whole raft of virtue signaling self-assured knowitalls laying down the Law. We need to fundamentally question everything that we're comfortable with.

Pretty much, a conference of the Schiller Institute presents the same fare, in some respects, but here is my assessment of the ideas offered.....

While both the LDS and the UN world view is oppressive authoritarianism, bigshots handing down the rules to the unwashed and incapable masses of mankind, the ideas Helga brings out are in the tradition of Socratic education, if still being handed down by her superior viewpoint, it is still leaving responsibility for action in the hands of the student, the human being, rather than vesting all power of action in the institution.

So here is Helga talking about how humans can aspire towards having "a beautiful soul" and live happily by exercising intellectual faculties and moderate habits and morals, trending to act beneficially towards others as well as one's self.

If there ever was anything I liked about Marxism, it was the hope that people can progress to the point of being perfectly capable of ignoring all the fools pretending to be the "government". ha ha. But what a lot of pure BS we have to endure to get there.... and every step of the way requiring some "special assistants" for the inexorable march of History, merciless atheistic "Church Ladies" who must, it is reasoned, lie, kill and in every way destroy the backsliding human who is in any way problematic. Idealists always seem to amount to that sort of madmen. Our mainstream Press today is insane in that manner..... ignoring every fact that does not promote the cause of management. So crazy in that extreme, almost no one believes our "press" anymore. Nor should they.


But here is a pudgy little German lady talking about Schiller, Confucius, and Jesus.... who all taught that there is a kind of man we can be.... seeking inner fulfillment through harmony with nature, through developing character, appreciating art, and living a moderate kind of virtue that does not compel others but endeavors to perfect our hearts, our motives within ourselves, on our own will and choice and intelligence.

hmmm.... according to Helga..... China's President and Russia's President both see the need for a society where people are on their own seeking the good, on their own account.

Accordingly, the development of the Silk Road for commerce is being framed as something that will greatly expand small enterprises.... taking orders on the internet and shipping on the MagLev rail. The developing world wants to be free, and prosperous. And here we are, the US/Brit cartel gargantuans, doing everything to protect "failsafe" supergiant corporates.....doing our level best to create "entry costs" so prohibitive nobody can compete with the Bigs.....
 
In looking over the Zepp-LaRouche essay on "Satanic Climate-Change Swindle", it seems this world view is what emerges when one views the world through a prisim dominated by and overlain with a deep paranoia. It's natural for conservative minded individuals to be more attune to threats in the world then liberals. But the further to the right one trends, you can arrive at this paranoid saturated overlay in interpreting history and the world in which one lives that is really akin to a mental illness. If it causes one to recoil, it's because we can instinctively recognize when a paranoic response to history has reached a delusional level, and we usually recoil from delusional individuals and interpretations. It's sick, there's no way to really detour around that conclusion. At least that's how I see it.

And I just couldn't get past that.
 
Sorry, babe. If your intended subject was LDS, then I have no business intruding in your thread. Being exposed to Zepp-LaRouche, on the other hand, taught me something about where you're coming from so often, that was not clear to me until I read her. But I'm not here to rock your boat, or at least I never planned to be. I've never fallen under the spell of a view of modern history that depended on paranoia to be understood. If that's really where you yourself are, I hope you see that it's not a stance that's all that helpful if a truthful evaluation is the aim, but that's my opinion. It just took me by surprise. If you're intention was to discuss the LDS, it's not my place to intrude.
 
Well, Red, whatever it takes to deny the validity of rational analysis of modern interests, you're welcome to your own version. I could say a few things about someone doused in Jung and the native American ghost dance rituals......

Objective facts about people across a long period of active life, like that of David Rockefeller who himself speaks/writes candidly about his purposes is a long way from the paranoia you imagine my views require. Instead, it is on your part a principled determination to reshape the facts into something you can just dismiss. Of course, it doesn't do you any harm that there are quite a few intellectuals steeped in the same delusional constructs.....

You don't need to tread lightly on the LDS comments. Though I come from an LDS mainstream family of sorts.... well, half LDS and half pragmatic objective scientist let's say, I could lay out a fairly detailed analysis of how the LDS church made the trek from being a populist/democratic/socialist "religion" all the way to an elitist/republican/corporate culture, guided every step of the way by authoritarian dictates.... the leadership always way ahead of their own rhetoric. Colton might not like my opinion much, but I don't care.

The issues for me are fairly simple, and not at all as you imagine. Under the principles of the United States Constitution as originally stated, people have "unalienable rights" derived from their existence/being. Governments have historically and objectively been the creatures generally of sociopaths of some sort who consider themselves the relevant actors, their own purposes the highest and primary considerations. I see the same sort of "leadership" operating in religions, beneath the purported altruism and gentle rhetoric, when I see irrational hatred of people who think independently emerge at the points where "leaders" fear they are losing control of their flock. The literature of the modern LDS Church reminds me of Russian literature in the Stalin era, a sort of "socialist realism" that reads like propaganda. The CFR and the "New World Order" style of literature looks to me to be the same sort of propaganda, as do your opinions you regularly post in here. It's as if you write for an unseen critic you fear might be displeased if you depart from the "Party Line"... That's why I do not consider you to be a genuine "human" with the right sort of cognition in gear. You are more of missionary for your "cause" which you are so irrationally committed to, you would literally kill to win for your cause, and you would imagine you do the world a service in doing so....

I hold my own opinions much more lightly. I play with ideas, I don't need to be sure I have the ultimate answers, I don't need, really, to persuade anyone, and I'm not entirely sure I'm even "right" about anything. Certainly, I don't need to remake the world the way I suppose it should be. What I would like to see is more people doing independent thinking, and fewer ideologues who take themselves seriously.

The question is just why folks like Jason and Colton think this forum is a credit when they pick mods who are not actually "moderators" but fellow "comrades" for a sort of political view that is essentially foreign to most Utahns, to the extent that "dissenters" are regularly mistaken for "trolls" and troublemakers, just because they present different views. Yah, some just want to rattle the "liberals". It would, perhaps, be pretty delusional to think there could be rational, polite discussions..... as your ridiculous theories about me and why I think as I do demonstrate..... ha ha.

Helga at least sees human beings as intrinsically relevant, speaks of human potentials which a beneficient government can bring out through policies that promote creativity. The fact that LaRouche clashed with Winston Churchill in India in the ferment that gave us Ghandhi, the fact that he was associated with communists of the sort that Ghandhi knew and would converse with on philosophical terms, enough that even those commies got on board with his principles of nonviolent resistance, should alert you to the whole panoply of available views that include the basic ideals of communitarian/conscientious belief and action, which is a very long way from the "paranoia" you irrationally insist on seeing everywhere you look. I suppose you are devoted to this sort of "conspiracy theory" that justifies attacking anyone who doesn't see the world your way.

But hey, you learned this from the best.... the David Rockefellers, the George Bushes, the Hillary Clintons. The "Media" you soak yourself in.

But there is another world in reality. Someday you may choose to see it. Maybe not.
 
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