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Ferguson_Mellochill

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I know this is kind of a no-duh comment, but it's obvious that it takes elite athletes to win in this league--I mean, real physical specimens who physically dominate and create immediate mismatches.

Watching Wade and James take over in the 4th quarter, they made everyone else look like they were walking in sand. The Mavericks just don't have anyone who can compete with them physically, even though Dirk is a highly skilled player. The Mavs are a good team. They have shooters, spread the floor and have improved interior defense, but I don't see how they can win this series.

The Lakers' dynasty was Kobe and Shaq--two dominant athletes at their positions that no one could match up with or contain.

It makes me wonder if there is any point drafting a player who isn't an elite athlete. What's the point of drafting, say, a Klay Thompson or Jimmer Fredette if they're just going to get blown away by better athletes? That's why I see the excitement around players like Derrick Williams, Bismack Biyombo, Jan Vesely, Alec Burks, etc., because they're at least explosive athletes who will be impossible to stop if they get their act together.

Maybe it's okay to have a center who isn't super athletic if he's got great size and skills (e.g., Marc Gasol and maybe Enes Kanter), and maybe it's okay to have a faciliator like Gordon Hayward, a Jeff Hornacek-meets-Shane Battier role player. But the rest of the team had better be thoroughbred athletes. When the game is on the line, it's the big-time athletes who make the big plays.

Yours truly,

Captain Obvious
 
I know this is kind of a no-duh comment, but it's obvious that it takes elite athletes to win in this league--I mean, real physical specimens who physically dominate and create immediate mismatches.

Watching Wade and James take over in the 4th quarter, they made everyone else look like they were walking in sand. The Mavericks just don't have anyone who can compete with them physically, even though Dirk is a highly skilled player. The Mavs are a good team. They have shooters, spread the floor and have improved interior defense, but I don't see how they can win this series.

The Lakers' dynasty was Kobe and Shaq--two dominant athletes at their positions that no one could match up with or contain.

It makes me wonder if there is any point drafting a player who isn't an elite athlete. What's the point of drafting, say, a Klay Thompson or Jimmer Fredette if they're just going to get blown away by better athletes? That's why I see the excitement around players like Derrick Williams, Bismack Biyombo, Jan Vesely, Alec Burks, etc., because they're at least explosive athletes who will be impossible to stop if they get their act together.

Maybe it's okay to have a center who isn't super athletic if he's got great size and skills (e.g., Marc Gasol and maybe Enes Kanter), and maybe it's okay to have a faciliator like Gordon Hayward, a Jeff Hornacek-meets-Shane Battier role player. But the rest of the team had better be thoroughbred athletes. When the game is on the line, it's the big-time athletes who make the big plays.

Yours truly,

Captain Obvious

Great ****ing post. I agree and that is why I want Kemba at the 3. He has that 'special ability' to create space. He would be great along side Hayward.
 
Great ****ing post. I agree and that is why I want Kemba at the 3. He has that 'special ability' to create space. He would be great along side Hayward.

Or they will back off him 5 feet since he has no NBA 3 range, point at him, laugh at him, and dare his 5'10 self to to drive into 7 footers.
 
I'm not sure I'm a fan of Kemba Walker at the NBA level, but I literally would be okay with taking Biyombo and Alec Burks in this draft. They look to be Finals-caliber athletes. Of course, they would need to learn to shoot. I would be okay with Reggie Jackson and Josh Selby at #12, and I can also see the argument for taking Knight over Kanter at #3.

Maybe I'm over-reacting and we should take Kanter and Burks or Kanter and Singleton, but as a Jazz fan I'm tired of our "system guys" always being outmatched physically by the other teams. You just know as a Jazz fan that if we have Kanter and the other team has Biyombo there's a very good chance that Biyombo outjumps Kanter for a critical rebound and gets fouled on the dunk attempt. Maybe Kanter will box out and get the big board, but I'm already feeling like he's the underdog in a matchup against someone quicker.
 
My thoughts were: "Maybe we should wait to try to contend until after Wade and James are no longer together"

Anything good we end up with, trade for 2016 first rounders.
 
Personally, I'll be shocked if Dallas doesn't win game 2. They missed a lot of easy shots, although they got a little flustered with Miami's D as well. Miami will always have the advantage so long as Lebron and Wade play well. But I think Dallas is going to find ways to make them play games they don't want to and will beat them. I'm saying Dallas wins game 2 and wins in 6.
 
Completely agree with the OP. Don't be stupid and reach for Bismack at 3, and don't be stupid and pick Jimmer with his curly fro brushing his ceiling with 12. Find difference makers. Find someone at three that can score and defend (Kantor or Knight) and find someone at 12 that can be an elite defender. Find players that are big, athletic, and can do multiple things at an extremely high level.
 
I know this is kind of a no-duh comment, but it's obvious that it takes elite athletes to win in this league--I mean, real physical specimens who physically dominate and create immediate mismatches.

Watching Wade and James take over in the 4th quarter, they made everyone else look like they were walking in sand. The Mavericks just don't have anyone who can compete with them physically, even though Dirk is a highly skilled player. The Mavs are a good team. They have shooters, spread the floor and have improved interior defense, but I don't see how they can win this series.

The Lakers' dynasty was Kobe and Shaq--two dominant athletes at their positions that no one could match up with or contain.

It makes me wonder if there is any point drafting a player who isn't an elite athlete. What's the point of drafting, say, a Klay Thompson or Jimmer Fredette if they're just going to get blown away by better athletes? That's why I see the excitement around players like Derrick Williams, Bismack Biyombo, Jan Vesely, Alec Burks, etc., because they're at least explosive athletes who will be impossible to stop if they get their act together.

Maybe it's okay to have a center who isn't super athletic if he's got great size and skills (e.g., Marc Gasol and maybe Enes Kanter), and maybe it's okay to have a faciliator like Gordon Hayward, a Jeff Hornacek-meets-Shane Battier role player. But the rest of the team had better be thoroughbred athletes. When the game is on the line, it's the big-time athletes who make the big plays.

Yours truly,

Captain Obvious

Larry Bird hates this.
 
Watching Wade and James take over in the 4th quarter, they made everyone else look like they were walking in sand. The Mavericks just don't have anyone who can compete with them physically, even though Dirk is a highly skilled player. The Mavs are a good team. They have shooters, spread the floor and have improved interior defense, but I don't see how they can win this series.

Key to this series? DeShawn Stevenson. The mavs have NO shot at stopping Lebron. But DeShawn might be able to slow down Wade. If he can do that, and you stick Haywood and/or Chandler on Bosh, and they've a great chance.
 
Watching Wade and James take over in the 4th quarter, they made everyone else look like they were walking in sand. The Mavericks just don't have anyone who can compete with them physically, even though Dirk is a highly skilled player. The Mavs are a good team. They have shooters, spread the floor and have improved interior defense, but I don't see how they can win this series.

Key to this series? DeShawn Stevenson. The mavs have NO shot at stopping Lebron. But DeShawn might be able to slow down Wade. If he can do that, and you stick Haywood and/or Chandler on Bosh, and they've a great chance.
 
My thoughts were: "Maybe we should wait to try to contend until after Wade and James are no longer together"

Anything good we end up with, trade for 2016 first rounders.

Haha, I was thinking along the same lines. I mean this Heat team will only get better right, unless something crazy happens. Another good reason to go young. Once this Heat team starts losing it's step, our guys should be in their prime!
 
You talk like getting one of the most immensely skilled and most impressive physical specimen to ever play is an easy thing. Let alone two or more. Athleticism can't do anything without an accompanying brain. But yes, it's important. But someone let me know who the Lebron James or Dwyane Wade is in this draft, and we'll be square.

Come on.
 
But to indulge and not just be a prick; find a way to draft Brandon Knight and Bismack Biyombo and that's your best chance. Vesely seems to have small hands (doesn't hold onto the ball well, in addition to having no real skill), Derrick Williams needs to jump off of two feet to explode at all, and I see a quick but otherwise unimpressive physical specimen (lanky, I don't see crazy explosiveness anywhere, not especially big or powerful by any metric) with Burks.

As long as it means no Jimmer (where the hell does he fit in when playing against a team like the Heat? Holy lord), sign me up.
 
My thoughts were: "Maybe we should wait to try to contend until after Wade and James are no longer together"

Anything good we end up with, trade for 2016 first rounders.

No actually it should be 2013 first rounders since they will be entering their prime when Wade and James slow down.
 
****, guys. Let's just get to the playoffs before worrying about taking on the Heat in the NBA Finals.

Right now, Utah is about as close to the playoffs as Gabourey Sidibe is to her goal weight.
 
Very good OP. This is why drafting Kanter is a must. He's seems to be be regarded as #3 on most big boards and if we drafted him, and say swapped with Cleveland at #4 or Toronto at #5, or heck, even Washington at #6, got something somewhat solid in return (two 2nd rounders?), took Biyombo at #6, and then Burks at #12, I'd be stoked. Like you said, two elite athletes perhaps plus additional picks ala OKC and Portland in recent years.
 
My thoughts were: "Maybe we should wait to try to contend until after Wade and James are no longer together"

Anything good we end up with, trade for 2016 first rounders.

Thats what the Jazz top brass have anyways been doing. They successfully waited for Kobe to get older. Now just another 3-4 yrs for the Heat Wave to subside. And then rebuild again in 2015, while waiting for Durant to get old and fade away. I the meantime just make do with what you have and do just about enough to keep the franchise afloat (which usually means get back to the playoffs ASAP and watch other teams win)
 
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