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green said:
I totally get this. I believe it. The big red flag I see is that the kid can't shoot, and everyone talks about his "intangibles" as being his big qualities. Yes, he showed toughness, heart, hustle, etc on a team with four other lottery picks. He played with superstar Tim Duncan aka Davis. He played with Antwain Jamison/Carlos Boozer aka Jones. You get my point.

I am just playing devil's advocate. It seems like MKG's big NBA skill is heart. A lot of those picks don't pan out. That is all I am saying.
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I agree on the point of adding MKG (which I'd love) to the Jazz only exaggerates the need for shooters.
 
green said:
I totally get this. I believe it. The big red flag I see is that the kid can't shoot, and everyone talks about his "intangibles" as being his big qualities. Yes, he showed toughness, heart, hustle, etc on a team with four other lottery picks. He played with superstar Tim Duncan aka Davis. He played with Antwain Jamison/Carlos Boozer aka Jones. You get my point.

I am just playing devil's advocate. It seems like MKG's big NBA skill is heart. A lot of those picks don't pan out. That is all I am saying.
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One NBA scout said MKG is 'the best wing defender I've ever scouted.' He's explosive. It's not intangibles alone.
 
green said:
I totally get this. I believe it. The big red flag I see is that the kid can't shoot, and everyone talks about his "intangibles" as being his big qualities. Yes, he showed toughness, heart, hustle, etc on a team with four other lottery picks. He played with superstar Tim Duncan aka Davis. He played with Antwain Jamison/Carlos Boozer aka Jones. You get my point.

I am just playing devil's advocate. It seems like MKG's big NBA skill is heart. A lot of those picks don't pan out. That is all I am saying.
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Well the current Jazz roster has no heart, no leadership and no desire to win. Big Al even said it himself when he said no one can beat the Spurs before the series was even over...
 
utahjazz107 said:
Well the current Jazz roster has no heart, no leadership and no desire to win. Big Al even said it himself when he said no one can beat the Spurs before the series was even over...
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I wouldn't say there's no heart .. but I would say there's no leader .. no one that's pushing each individual, every day, to be the very best they can be .. and creating optimum chemistry.
 
PKM said:
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Height (w/o shoes): 6'5.75"
Height (w/ shoes): 6'7.5":
Weight: 232.8
Wingspan: 7'
Standing reach: 8'8.5"
Body fat percent: 7.0
Hand length: 9"
Hand width: 10.25"
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What a wingspan! His standing reach is higher than my running vertical.


PKM said:
One NBA scout said MKG is 'the best wing defender I've ever scouted.' He's explosive. It's not intangibles alone.
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He sounds Andre Iguodala. Good enough for me.
 
green said:
Wingspan: 6'11 vs 7
Standing reach: 8'7.5" vs 8'8.5"
Body fat: 5% vs 7.5%

We need more to continue this debate... ;)

That being said, you are probably right. IF scouts think he develop a legit 3 pt shot, then I love him. If not, eh, we've seen this hype before.

When do his measurements come out?
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MKG's shot doesn't suck quite as much (though it's close) and MKG has more power to his game.

Other than that, I think they are pretty similar and the biggest thing separating them is hype.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
MKG's shot doesn't suck quite as much (though it's close) and MKG has more power to his game.

Other than that, I think they are pretty similar and the biggest thing separating them is hype.
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I'm just going to point out that MKG will enter the NBA at a younger age than Brewer did. I believe that also makes a difference.
 
Wow, Thomas' contract really blows. Hard. That's a lot of money to pay a guy to be the 4th big.

Shockingly, I'm in agreement with Cy: I'd rather give up less to get the 10th pick. Ariza and Lillard also fill positions of need.

I guess you do this trade if you're sure MKG is a franchise player..... dead sure.
 
I'm happy to not draft that high, and it says a lot that a team as truly awful as the Bobcats is trying to trade out.

But anything to be rid of Al without taking back another log-jammer or horrible contract is awesome for me.
 
I will believe in MKG when I see it. Perimeter players have to shoot, and players are practically disabled from defending on the perimeter (which isn't to say you don't value it, but MKG's strength isn't one that is generally allowed).

Agree with Cy/NAOS on rather having Ariza and #10 (Lillard or Marshall).
 
green said:
Say NO to MKG for this team. He can't shoot the deep ball. On the Jazz, he is nothing more than Ronnie Brewer. We need shooters. We have to get better at our three point shooting.
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This is what everybody said about Kawhi Leonard.
 
gregbroncs said:
This is what everybody said about Kawhi Leonard.
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First off, Leonard's shot wasn't broken. Beyond that, he ended up on the absolute best team he could've in terms of cultivating confidence and emphasizing the importance of smart-jumpshooting.
 
Leonard wasn't the #2 overall pick either, he was 15. If MKG was the 5th pick down I wouldn't mind, but I just don't see him as a top 3 pick when you have guys like Drummond and Robinson on the board.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I will believe in MKG when I see it. Perimeter players have to shoot, and players are practically disabled from defending on the perimeter (which isn't to say you don't value it, but MKG's strength isn't one that is generally allowed).

Agree with Cy/NAOS on rather having Ariza and #10 (Lillard or Marshall).
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I would as well. I've said of all the draft spots, #2 has to be the most nerve-racking.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Leonard wasn't the #2 overall pick either, he was 15. If MKG was the 5th pick down I wouldn't mind, but I just don't see him as a top 3 pick when you have guys like Drummond and Robinson on the board.
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I'd take Drummond #2, easily. That's even though I hate lazy, low motor guys.
 
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