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Uninteded consequence of DWill trade?

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I apologize if this has been brought up in a trade, but I thought it was worth discussion.

From ESPN chat today:
Ric Bucher (2:28 PM)

It's not a matter of what a team is offering. It's a matter of where a guy wants to go. Melo proved that. Sure, Utah shipped off Deron -- but trust me, that's going to come back and haunt the Jazz. You think any big-time free agent is going to trust their front office? Not a chance.

I hadn't thought of this before, but he might have a point. I think the Jazz FO believe they did what they had to do for the future of the organization. Anyone think there is any truth to Bucher's comment here?
 
No. It's not like we were getting big time free agents anyway. If the money is there the players will come. Boozer and Okur's signing's proved that. Big Al was happy to come here as well. I don't see this having any effect on players' decisions about coming here.
 
Simplistic analysis. To whatever extent the Jazz are trying to lure a big free agent, they'll point to the record of stability and success. It's beside the point anyway since selling Utah is harder than selling the organization.
 
I totally agree with what has been said. Plus the only way Utah gets a superstar is goign to be though trade or draft. And I don't think Utah will have a problem getting the mid star power players like; Brand, Booz, Okur, Big Al, Kamen, Crawford, lol it might be easier to say anybody but the top 5 players, I think would come to Utah for the right price. Money speaks for itself!!!
 
I think Bucher's right that it hurts the Jazz front office's reputation among star players - but fortunately for Utah they likely won't be in a situation where that matters because it's not going to be like 2003-04 or 2004-05 where they have tons of cap room to spend over a summer. They're rebuilding with lottery picks, plus they already have alot of money committed ($56.5 and $43.6 million over next 2 seasons) so that pretty much renders Bucher's point moot.
 
There's only 10 or less star players that can single handedly win championships in the NBA.
Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Howard, Griffin, to start out.
Most are now signed up long term.
None are likely to ever consider Utah or most other teams.
Utah and most other teams have to be creative to ever contend.
KOC has done just that by trading Deron.
Jazz now have a chance, although not certain,
to contend if they make some good lottery picks in
next couple years.
 
slc said:
There's only 10 or less star players that can single handedly win championships in the NBA.
Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Howard, Griffin, to start out.
Most are now signed up long term.
None are likely to ever consider Utah or most other teams.
Utah and most other teams have to be creative to ever contend.
KOC has done just that by trading Deron.
Jazz now have a chance, although not certain,
to contend if they make some good lottery picks in
next couple years.
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So when is the last time LeBron, Durant, Howard, or Griffin won a championship... and if you throw in single-handedly.... you can get rid of Kobe from that list too.
None of them ever considered Utah before we traded Deron, so the point it moot.
 
JazzSpazz said:
So when is the last time LeBron, Durant, Howard, or Griffin won a championship... and if you throw in single-handedly.... you can get rid of Kobe from that list too.
None of them ever considered Utah before we traded Deron, so the point it moot.
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Your right. I shouldn't have said single handed.
But you almost always need one of top ten players in the league to win a championship.
 
LOLZ.

1. Ric Bucher is an idiot. That is probably the nicest thing I could say about him.

2. Superstars who can make their own choice about where to play aren't coming here anyway (this has been pointed out numerous times)

3. I'm still optimistic (naive?) enough to believe that with the right team, you don't absolutely have to have a "superstar" to win.

Carmelo, Amare, Howard, Nash, Dirk, LeBra, CP3, Deron... How many rings in this group? One player is not necessarily the ticket to the promised land.

(I was going to include Durrant, but it's really only a matter of time, right?)
 
i'd look at what utah did and do the same, ship out the player to a crap team and get some return.
 
Sirkickyass said:
As opposed to before, when big-time free agents were just clamoring to come to Utah.
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Jazz will have to build their team through the draft & trades and mid range FAs. Just like they always have.

When was the last time a big time free agent signed with a small market team anyway?
 
D.Will did just fine by the Jazz. The Jazz gave him the keys to the franchise, got him in a system where he could shine, got him to the playoffs, maxed him, and helped develop him into an Olympian.

D.Will can still opt out after next year and get traded in the meantime. I don't see how the Jazz harmed D.Will. If anything, it makes the Jazz FO look like they know what they're doing, which should be attractive to a FA.
 
I loved the move to trade Deron.
Even DWill said it made total sense for the Jazz since, even though he never said he wouldn't resign - he never said he would either.

"unintended consequence." pff - Bucher :rolleyes:
 
Sirkickyass said:
As opposed to before, when big-time free agents were just clamoring to come to Utah.
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Well said.

I think the trade does send a message to certain types of players, but it's not like a LeBron, DWade, Melo, etc. would want to come to Utah anyway. For the hard-working, lunch pail crowd, it shows the opposite; the JAzz FO is going to support the team and not allow one person to dictate his will upon teammates or coaches. It's important the Jazz draft or trade for players who can and want to be part of an organization and don't view the team as simply a place to showcase their own talents.
 
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