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What Utah going to the Pac does to rivalries

Archie Moses said:
Remind me how many Las Vegas Bowls has BYU gone to?
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I get your point. In an equitable system going to the Las Vegas Bowl would have been equivalent to obtaining a playoff berth. Because you know, you have to win a lot to go to the Las Vegas bowl. Winning is bad. Good logic buddy.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I get your point. In an equitable system going to the Las Vegas Bowl would have been equivalent to obtaining a playoff berth. Because you know, you have to win a lot to go to the Las Vegas bowl. Winning is bad. Good logic buddy.
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It beats the logic of trying to deny the success the University of Utah has had in the past six or so years. Yes, BYU has played extremely well too, and there is no denying that, but to say that BYU has had a better team because they've had more wins is like saying Cavs are the best team in basketball over the past two seasons and are the best team in the world cause they have the most wins.
 
Well, they did play it out on the field you know so I don't think I was arguing who's better. If we beat you, we're better. If you beat us, you're better. That's how I'll always look at it year in and year out. But consistency through long periods matters when we are talking about programs. Utah doesn't have that.

Things change, I understand that. Harvard, Princeton, and Yale used to be the football powerhouses. Not denying anything expect for the fact that some Utah fans think there was some kind of separation between the programs recently and thus the Pac 10 invite. You guys are a market. Nebraska is a market(they've been pretty lousy recently). Everyone is a market. These conference expansions are all about markets. Just be greatful that the state of Utah is projecting some serious growth and that you fit an ideological mold and BYU doesn't. It's not your football program that is going to the Pac 10. It's a market.
 
Broncster said:
Oregon wont hurt that much for losing masoli. He was the least talented quarter back on their team. Oregon has more talent on their kickoff team than Utah has on their whole team. The only reason that Utah was close to Oregon last year is they did not take Utah seriously. This year every team in the pac-10 would push Utah every game. Utah can win one big game but playing better teams week in and week out utah's lack of depth will show up. utah will get better as recruiting takes off.
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Someone already pointed out how ridiculous your Masoli comments were, so I won't go too much into that. I will say that, obviously, Masoli was their best QB, started for them all year, and lead them to the PAC 10 title last year.

As far as Oregon not taking Utah seriously... Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about. Why even post this crap when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about?

Let me fill you in with a link:
https://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/3

You might notice that Utah was ranked #18 in the AP, and #16 in the coaches polls, while Oregon wasn't even ranked in either poll. This was the week going into that Oregon/Utah game.

So you're actually expecting us to believe that an unranked Oregon team, who had struggled in their first 2 games (losing 1, winning the other by 2 points against a bad team), did not take a ranked Utah team seriously in their 3rd game?
https://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=2483&year=2009

LOL, get out of here with that nonsense.
 
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Duck Rodgers said:
Well, they did play it out on the field you know so I don't think I was arguing who's better. If we beat you, we're better. If you beat us, you're better. That's how I'll always look at it year in and year out. But consistency through long periods matters when we are talking about programs. Utah doesn't have that.

Things change, I understand that. Harvard, Princeton, and Yale used to be the football powerhouses. Not denying anything expect for the fact that some Utah fans think there was some kind of separation between the programs recently and thus the Pac 10 invite. You guys are a market. Nebraska is a market(they've been pretty lousy recently). Everyone is a market. These conference expansions are all about markets. Just be greatful that the state of Utah is projecting some serious growth and that you fit an ideological mold and BYU doesn't. It's not your football program that is going to the Pac 10. It's a market.
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You're crazy. If you don't think Utah's 2 BCS bowl wins trump anything BYU has done recently, then you're just nuts. No other way to put it. Nobody cares if BYU has one more win over the last 10 years (or whatever). The BCS wins are far more important than that.
 
I think Boise State patently proved that "Just win baby" is all that matters. If the composition of college football changed to the 16 team Super conferences, maybe I would say that has changed. But same old, same old for now. My only argument has been that you guys will be doing less of that in the coming years.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I think Boise State patently proved that "Just win baby" is all that matters. If the composition of college football changed to the 16 team Super conferences, maybe I would say that has changed. But same old, same old for now. My only argument has been that you guys will be doing less of that in the coming years.
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Boise didn't prove that at all, lol. Boise (and Utah) proved that just winning is not enough. How else can you explain an undefeated Utah team (only undefeated team in the nation) not getting any consideration for the national championship, and an undefeated Boise team being matched up against a mid major in their BCS bowl game?

If just winning was enough, Boise would have never left the WAC, and Utah would have never left the MWC. Oh, and BYU fans wouldn't have peed their pants when the tweet came that they were invited to the Big 12, only to be followed by the huge letdown that it was all a hillarious hoax.
 
Salty (and any other Ute fan), I know its tough to break old habits but you dont have to argue with coug fans anymore.

The debate has been settled. We made it to a BCS conference and were on to bigger and better things. the cougs werent chosen to go anywhere. byu is officialy in our rear view mirror.

We still might play them every year but they are only relevant to us during the week we play them. byu is no longer our peer. Our peers are USC, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, and Washington.

ry%3D400

"So long, gay boys."
 
U Gotta Love It Baby said:
Salty (and any other Ute fan), I know its tough to break old habits but you dont have to argue with coug fans anymore.

The debate has been settled. We made it to a BCS conference and were on to bigger and better things. the cougs werent chosen to go anywhere. byu is officialy in our rear view mirror.

We still might play them every year but they are only relevant to us during the week we play them. byu is no longer our peer. Our peers are USC, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, and Washington.

ry%3D400

"So long, gay boys."
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I do enjoy the trash talk, it is usually funny -- like this one. However, he who has the last laugh (BYU fans) will have the bigger weenus.
 
I just read an article in the sltrib. Basically Utah just did to BYU what BYU and Utah did to Utah State in the 60's. Left them behind to move on to bigger and better things. Congrats BYU you are the new USU. :)
 
G-O-A-T said:
Did you actually watch any UO games last year? or do you have some sort of perverse definition of talent? Masoli was their ONLY QB who could rush the ball in their spread offense... and as mediocre as passer as he was, he was far and away their best. They had a pretty good defense last year and a great freshman running back in Legarrette James (who is having his own legal problems), but without Masoli they would have been a .500 team at best.

Hate to say it, but the Pac 10 wasn't that good last year. Wash. St., Az. State, and UCLA all looked like highschool programs, Cal is habitually overrated, and everyone else fed off eachothers mediocrity. Utah, in rebuilding mode, probably would have won 7 games last year... and with USC having its problems, I expect Utah to be a favorite for the 2012 Rose bowl.
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I watched every game last year. Masoli is a good runner but cant throw the ball well. He emerged through a series of injuries. they also really wanted to run their offense like they did with Dixon and he was the better fit. I think that was a mistake. Costa was a much better quarterback but plugging him in is difficult since the switched their offense to match him. The best thing that happened for Oregon last year is having blount get hurt, James fit the offense better. Oregons defense was mediocre at best last year. That was the a weakness of the team.
 
Masoli wasn't a great passer, but he didn't make many mistakes... Costa on the other hand, would make the entire Duck fanbase cringe every time he dropped back to pass. Costa might be a better traditional drop back passer, but there is no way you can say he was a better QB for the Duck system. Masoli fit the system perfect... great runner and didn't make many mistakes. Costa can't run (had a some major injuries I think) and throws the ball to the other team about half the time he passes.

The spread offense that Oregon runs is immensely dependent on the QB's ability to run the ball and make quick short passes... without a Masoli/Dixon type leader at that position, Oregon is doomed to mediocrity IMO... unless they change up their whole offensive scheme, which I doubt they will do.

You mentioned that Masoli was a better fit for the system... but it was a mistake to keep the system... with that I disagree, Oregon had one of the most explosive offenses in the nation 2 of the last 3 years. There was no reason to fix what wasn't broke...
 
To all the clowns that said this move wouldn't help Utah's recruiting:
https://www.deseretnews.com/blog/20...og-California-corner-chooses-Utes-Pac-10.html

Ryan Henderson, a 5-foot-10, 165-pound cornerback from Rancho Verde High School in Moreno Valley, Calif., has given the University of Utah an early recruiting commitment. He plans to sign a letter of intent in February and join the Utes next summer.

"The Pac-10 definitely had a big impact on my decision," said Henderson, who was determined to play in the league. His hometown is just one hour away from Los Angeles.

The combination of Utah's program and the new conference affiliation led to Henderson's decision to choose the Utes over Oregon and Miami (Fla.)

"I'm looking forward to it," he said.
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Wow, won a head to head recruiting battle with Oregon and Miami...
 
All this bickering and BCS garbage tells me one thing:

The BCS is seriously messed up. Get rid of it and give us playoffs.

Without a playoff system/tournament, college football will never be as exciting to me as any sport that does. It's much too political and money driven. Plus, teams will get to see which players do well in the playoffs and not just one big game, that is weeks after the season is over.

They already have all they need: Time (immediately following season), places (bowl game arenas), ranking system. All they need to do is implement by renaming a few things here and there. Maybe the Rose Bowl could mean a Final Four game? Etc...
 
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