Williams.

[Marty McFly]

His demeanor on the court in these situations obviously rubs off on the rest of the team. You can tell how a possession is going to end when Williams walks the ball up the court with his head down and dumps the ball off to Bell with 23 seconds left on the shot clock, then doesn't touch the ball again for the rest of the possession. It's like he's pouting. Meanwhile the bench guys are completely outhustling him and generally showing a lot more enthusiasm.

On the other hand, you can't expect him to be MJ every night. Maybe he's playing injured or something.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

His demeanor on the court in these situations obviously rubs off on the rest of the team. You can tell how a possession is going to end when Williams walks the ball up the court with his head down and dumps the ball off to Bell with 23 seconds left on the shot clock, then doesn't touch the ball again for the rest of the possession. It's like he's pouting. Meanwhile the bench guys are completely outhustling him and generally showing a lot more enthusiasm.

On the other hand, you can't expect him to be MJ every night. Maybe he's playing injured or something.

Are you on your period?

 

[Marty McFly]

Are you on your period?

Am I wrong?

 

[David Stern]

I agree, and we are by far at our best when Deron is 2nd or 3rd Leading scorer, because he focuses more on assists,

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Am I wrong?

You're right. But ****, how may times do we have to rehash this crap. The Jazz are going to slump and DWill's gonna pout. It's the way it goes, but he's the best player we have. Top 10 in the NBA easy. Posting threads about Dwill and his feelings is dumb. Jus sayin.

 

[Marty McFly]

You're right. But ****, how may times do we have to rehash this crap. The Jazz are going to slump and DWill's gonna pout. It's the way it goes, but he's the best player we have. Top 10 in the NBA easy. Posting threads about Dwill and his feelings is dumb. Jus sayin.

Fine. I will switch to complaining about the commentators and pre-game guys.

Andy Toolson is a hack!

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Fine. I will switch to complaining about the commentators and pre-game guys.

Andy Toolson is a hack!

You already did that in another thread. Go write a song on your acoustic or blog about it. This site is already overwhelmed with **** threads and stupid posts.

 

[Marty McFly]

You already did that in another thread. Go write a song on your acoustic or blog about it. This site is already overwhelmed with **** threads and stupid posts.

You're like the guy who complains about the government's policies, but never votes. I think you complain about threads/posts on this board more often than you contribute to it.

 

[David Stern]

Dude, threads like this are better than the ending experiments ones. Let Marty have this one.

 

[NUMBERICA]

When Deron scores a lot of points, he's selfish. When he's deferring or getting others involved, he's pouting. When _____ it's his fault because he _____.

I hope the Jazz win just so Jazz fans don't start splitting hairs about an elite player that isn't quite Stockton and/or Malone.

 

[m3at]

I agree, and we are by far at our best when Deron is 2nd or 3rd Leading scorer, because he focuses more on assists,

+1. AJ needs to be WAY more agressive on the offensive end. With his low post abilities we should be seeing him setting picks and rolling to the basket WAY more. The question is, do they run sets for him and is he capable of running the pick n roll? As it stands, the jazz run the pick n roll the least in the NBA. Boggles my mind considering we have arguably one of the best PG's in the game and a big man in Al who has been able to finish strong in the past.

 

[Marty McFly]

When Deron scores a lot of points, he's selfish. When he's deferring or getting others involved, he's pouting. When _____ it's his fault because he _____.

I hope the Jazz win just so Jazz fans don't start splitting hairs about an elite player that isn't quite Stockton and/or Malone.

I'm not sure you've watched the past few games. He's spent far more time whining to the refs and feeling bad for himself than he has leading the team. I'm not hating on Deron. For most of the season I think he's been a good leader.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I haven't seen the games, we've been doing some stupid touring crap this past week. However, I've seen him go through spurts where he's exhibited things you're mentioning and it doesn't warm my heart or anything. However;

1) He generally doesn't have that attitude and has 'recovered' from similar bouts, so I'm not concerned with a longterm or (more) permanent behavioral shift.
2) Good comes with 'bad', his positive qualities and contributions vastly overpower whatever perceived negatives he may occasionally bring to the table.
2) For whatever reason, he seems to progressively get more calls year by year. I don't have numbers for that right now, but operating off of that premise, it seems more than a coincidence that it corresponds with his protest of calls.

There's a balance with petitioning calls in your favor, but it seems to me that it makes a difference for the better if you're a good player and you don't go overboard and get a lot of T's. Part of getting "star calls" has to be working refs, and in fact I think Millsap's production has suffered precisely because he just plays and doesn't protest.

If I had to emphasize a single one of those points, it would be #2. As a fan, I give him a ton more leeway than I would someone that hasn't done the necessary things to earn near-league-wide and/or fan-wide respect and is clearly the ox on which our hopes ride. I don't view Millsap as an untouchable piece, but I hold a similar (though lesser) view with him.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

You're like the guy who complains about the government's policies, but never votes. I think you complain about threads/posts on this board more often than you contribute to it.

Well that's total ********. Not much to contribute to lately. But you're right, I'm the bitch. Serry.

Deron is Deron. He's super competitive, which gives him his fire. Unfortunately the whining and pouting comes along with it. You've seen Kobe, the guy is a cry baby because he hates to lose. I'd rather Deron get pissed off and throw a fit than sit back and watch things self destruct.

He cares, that's a good thing.

 

[jimmyjazz]

A lot of times Deron has had to dump the ball to somebody else sooner than usual because Sloan makes him be the shooting guard in a lot of plays -- and that seems to be because the actual SG we've got is so mediocre. The Jazz need a quality SG so Deron can focus on being the great PG that he is.

 

[NAOS]

I'm mostly sympathetic with NUMBERICA's views on this, but in the spirit of the OP I'll add a little caveat.

I think we might have learned that if DWill is going to be the outright #1 on this team, then he needs more than just a #2 player to carry the team through the 82 game schedule; he needs a #1a. Part of the problem with this team is that no #2 has emerged, let alone #1a.

Besides a change in the starting lineup, I want the Jazz to work on establishing a solid two-man game with DWill and SOMEBODY ELSE. There is too much democracy happening out there between Al and Sap... somebody's got to step into a more dominant role. I've now seen enough of the Spurs this year to be convinced: you have to be able to play the two-man game during stretches, control the tempo, take over games. Why should a team famous for Stockton-to-Malone need to learn this lesson?

Sap is my man in this scenario. I run a high pick-and-roll with him... let him decide to pop or dive to the basket. Everybody else clear the F&$% out for a second, and make sure that CJ (added to the starting lineup) is camped on the three point line (Hayward, too?). Tell Al that if he doesn't get every rebound, then you're going to cut his balls off.

Otherwise, let the flex do its thing... we're just putting too much faith in it. It's frustrating when it doesn't go well -- resulting in these "pouting" spells by Deron when he can't take the game over for whatever reason.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I'm mostly sympathetic with NUMBERICA's views on this, but in the spirit of the OP I'll add a little caveat.

I think we might have learned that if DWill is going to be the outright #1 on this team, then he needs more than just a #2 player to carry the team through the 82 game schedule; he needs a #1a. Part of the problem with this team is that no #2 has emerged, let alone #1a.

Besides a change in the starting lineup, I want the Jazz to work on establishing a solid two-man game with DWill and SOMEBODY ELSE. There is too much democracy happening out there between Al and Sap... somebody's got to step into a more dominant role. I've now seen enough of the Spurs this year to be convinced: you have to be able to play the two-man game during stretches, control the tempo, take over games. Why should a team famous for Stockton-to-Malone need to learn this lesson?

Sap is my man in this scenario. I run a high pick-and-roll with him... let him decide to pop or dive to the basket. Everybody else clear the F&$% out for a second, and make sure that CJ (added to the starting lineup) is camped on the three point line (Hayward, too?). Tell Al that if he doesn't get every rebound, then you're going to cut his balls off.

Otherwise, let the flex do its thing... we're just putting too much faith in it. It's frustrating when it doesn't go well -- resulting in these "pouting" spells by Deron when he can't take the game over for whatever reason.

Whole lotta win in this post. reppdddd

 

[LogGrad98]

When Deron scores a lot of points, he's selfish. When he's deferring or getting others involved, he's pouting. When _____ it's his fault because he _____.

I hope the Jazz win just so Jazz fans don't start splitting hairs about an elite player that isn't quite Stockton and/or Malone.

Stockton AND Malone. Whoa.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think the key stats are Deron's turnovers and double-digit (or very close, say 8 or more) assists. If he gets more than 8 assists and fewer than 4 TO then it is going to be a win, if not we will struggle. Not sure if that has much to do with his attitude or if he just gets out of the swing of things, but those 2 seem to correlate with rough games.

 

[gregbroncs]

It does seem like when Derons passive the team struggles. However, I don't blame this on Deron. The rest of that starting lineup are supposedly starters for a reason they need to be able to make plays when Deron either struggles or is having a hard time finding it. Why is it one players job to get the whole damn starting lineup going? Can't one of the others do that from time to time.

One way or another the starts this team gets off to needs to change. I have been calling for a starting lineup change for a month now and I think one may be in the near future if this continues.