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Would trading for Teague be skipping steps?

Skipping steps?

  • No, this is exactly what we need.

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • Yes, Gotta keep the cake baking.

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Yes, if we gave to much up.

    Votes: 15 46.9%

  • No, we need to use these assets.

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Total voters
    32
Doublea

Doublea

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I feel like this is one of the opportunities to get a relatively young player who has played at a high caliber recently. Isn't that what the jazz have been looking for with collecting their assets.

What do you guys think, should the jazz keep growing the talent they have and wait for other opportunities, or cash in now?
 
Jrue holiday would be better. But niether is skipping steps. As long as they don't have to lose exum, Lyles hay favors or gobert.
 
Doublea said:
I feel like this is one of the opportunities to get a relatively young player who has played at a high caliber recently. Isn't that what the jazz have been looking for with collecting their assets.

What do you guys think, should the jazz keep growing the talent they have and wait for other opportunities, or cash in now?
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I think one of the biggest hang ups in this deal getting done is, How much do you pay Teague on his next contract. Assuming, you'd at least have to consider keeping him if you give up assets. Will that disrupt keeping the other guys. How long before Exum takes over, and if soon, then you might be paying the backup too much.
 
b_line said:
Jrue holiday would be better. But niether is skipping steps. As long as they don't have to lose exum, Lyles hay favors or gobert.
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Hood?
 
Hack said:
I think one of the biggest hang ups in this deal getting done is, How much do you pay Teague on his next contract. Assuming, you'd at least have to consider keeping him if you give up assets. Will that disrupt keeping the other guys. How long before Exum takes over, and if soon, then you might be paying the backup too much.
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It would be a bummer if we traded Burks off just to see Teague leave in a year and a half.
 
I'm not going to get overly excited about one game, but Neto playing well makes it less pressing to add another PG. I'd still like to upgrade Burke, but I'm not offering a boatload to get Teague. Play hardball and let the Hawks come down on their asking price.

No Gobert, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum or Neto. Probably not Withey either. Burke, Booker and picks are still game, but I'd rather use the assets to try to pry a younger, better player off of a struggling team and add him to our core group instead of renting a PG for high cost.
 
Ellis269 said:
I'm not going to get overly excited about one game, but Neto playing well makes it less pressing to add another PG. I'd still like to upgrade Burke, but I'm not offering a boatload to get Teague. Play hardball and let the Hawks come down on their asking price.

No Gobert, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum or Neto. Probably not Withey either. Burke, Booker and picks are still game, but I'd rather use the assets to try to pry a younger, better player off of a struggling team and add him to our core group instead of renting a PG for high cost.
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Any examples of a player like this?
 
So I haven't commented much in the Teague threads since I don't follow him much at all. In order to fit inside the "not skipping steps" box, I would be considering the following (in no particular order):
-How is his defense? Either decent, or teachable to become a decent defender.
-Who is the backup, Teaugue or Exum? If Exum needs to develop more to be better than Teague, it's not time to bring in his backup. If Exum is the backup, then there's no risk.
-Are we confident he stays or that we can flip him for a profit?
-How does he work with QS?
-Does he add to the good team chemistry that has been established.
-He's 6'2, this is a strike against him given the length advantage we have at nearly every position. Not a deal breaker, but needs to be made up for elsewhere.
 
vegas said:
So I haven't commented much in the Teague threads since I don't follow him much at all. In order to fit inside the "not skipping steps" box, I would be considering the following (in no particular order):
-How is his defense? Either decent, or teachable to become a decent defender.
-Who is the backup, Teaugue or Exum? If Exum needs to develop more to be better than Teague, it's not time to bring in his backup. If Exum is the backup, then there's no risk.
-Are we confident he stays or that we can flip him for a profit?
-How does he work with QS?
-Does he add to the good team chemistry that has been established.
-He's 6'2, this is a strike against him given the length advantage we have at nearly every position. Not a deal breaker, but needs to be made up for elsewhere.
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1. Teague's defense is nothing to write home about but it's hard to be much worse than Burke
2. This is the real interesting question. In terms of who would be a better basketball player at the time, it probably would be Teague. BUT we know how Quin likes to spread out his ball-handling scorers and if you look at our bench after a trade of Burke and Burks, let's just say it doesn't look too good. It'd be interesting to see but I would bet Exum starts and Teague fills Burke's role on the bench (with Neto being 3rd string). But, the Jazz haven't really had a PG of Teague's caliber so Quin may be forced to start him and get creative with subs. I do think you can play them together although I think Dante at the 2 really limits his ability
3. Him staying probably would come down to how much money we would be willing to fork up. The Summer he is up, Gordon has a player option and Rudy is up with Favors, Exum, and Hood the following season. Jazz won't be able to trade him for value unless somebody values a Teague rental.
4. He would be great is QS system and obviously has worked with him before
5. I bet he would do a lot more for the "chemistry" than Burke does
6. No PG we are playing right now is 6'2

Teague really excels at driving, and driving and kicking. His shooting is really good and he is a great distributor. He is a legitimate PG and really exactly what the Jazz are missing right now. Giving up a lot of assets (Burks, multiple picks) is the real question if the FO project him just as a year and a half rental.

He has his best game of the season the other night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkfolVP2aA&feature=youtu.be
 
It all depends on what they give up to get him and what his role is.

If they give up any of the top 7 players (Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum or Lyles) then it seems like a desperation "win now" kind of move, instead of adding a temporary piece to hold the fort until Exum gets healthy.

If they give up Burke and/or picks instead (considering what teams payed for PGs last deadline) and use the move to upgrade Trey Burke's spot on the roster. . . then it's a great move and perfectly aligned with what they need.

Teague/Neto is a fine PG combo to finished the year and then take next year to see what're plan is for next year. One other MAJOR reason to consider keeping Burks and adding Teague is that their salaries next year would combine to almost $20 million - nearly a MAX contract slot for trade purposes. Heading into Hayward's make or break year, if Teague plays well and Burks recovers and finishes strong this season. . . the Jazz would have two solid veterans, a bunch of assets and salaries to match a big move if they decide to make one. It's better to have options when trades are being made and keeping Burks keeps more options on the table.
 
I don't understand the skip steps thing. If you can skip steps you should skip the eff out of those steps. Now if you trip and fall on your *** that's another thing... so I think our motto should be skip the eff out of steps if you got long legs and good balance... lengthy but more accurate.
 
Too many contingencies to honestly and accurately vote. So, here's what I have to say:

The Jazz started their rebuild by fretting and dragging their feet. Because of this, the age and experience levels of their core are staggered, and because this year has mostly been a bust thus far, the Jazz have put themselves in a position where they would be wisest to EITHER be making win-now moves, or flipping their most valuable/expensive assets (Hayward, Favors) for other valuable but less expensive assets (picks, very promising 1st/2nd year players). Lowe hit the nail on the head.

I'm all about having a good basketball team again. As long as the Jazz aren't over-leveraging their ability to rebuild if it doesn't work out, then go for it. Right now, they have too many young players and picks to effectively develop, so if anything, this is the type of opportunity the Jazz have been waiting for.

I don't think it would take much. NY has nothing to offer, no one knows what Milwaukee is doing (and I'm not aware of them having tons of assets they'd want to part with, anyway), and Boston seem to have already invested a lot in guards and will probably low-ball. I don't think it would take much. Burke and Burks, late 1st, or bunch of 2nds should get it done.
 
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