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Tomic to the Jazz

How would Tomic compare to a Kaminsky coming out of the draft? I haven't seen anything but some highlight videos on Tomic, but feel I've got a pretty good grasp on Kaminsky and he's a guy I'd love to be our backup center/3rd big.

How's this assesment?
Shooting: Kaminsky by a fairly large margin, Tomic still a better shooter than our bigs though.
Ballhandling/Creating: Kaminsky by a small margin.
Passing: Tomic by a small margin, both better than the bigs we have.
Rebounding: Tomic by a very small margin.
Athleticism: About equal.
Defense: About equal for now, I'd say Kaminsky better on ball/perimeter and Tomic a bit better as a help defender.
With Kaminsky having a bit more room for development and Tomic having an experience edge.

I feel like I prefer Kaminsky cause I think he could play with either Gobert or Favors, but Tomic I really only see fitting with Favors.

I don't dislike Kaminsky but I regularly see him in the high teens to mid 20's in drafts now. Things will probably turn around in a month - I think he'll have a huge tournament; but unless The Jazz are trading down to pick up another asset you can't blow a top 10 pick on Kaminsky.
 
Kanter trade makes a lot more sense now. Not that I was opposed to it before, but clearly this is something the FO knew was likely to happen for a while now.

PG - Dante/Trey
SG - Alec/Rodney
SF - Gordon/Ingles
PF - Favors/Booker
C - Rudy/Tomic

I mean - all we're really signing/drafting for is depth across the board OR a star talent. Pretty exciting times in Jazzland, the playoffs are a fair expectation in 2015-2016.
 
I don't dislike Kaminsky but I regularly see him in the high teens to mid 20's in drafts now. Things will probably turn around in a month - I think he'll have a huge tournament; but unless The Jazz are trading down to pick up another asset you can't blow a top 10 pick on Kaminsky.

Dang, I hadn't checked in awhile, so I was figuring late lotto on him (so not too much of a reach for us at the 10ish spot). If he could really drop to the 20 spot that does change a bit.
 
Kanter trade makes a lot more sense now. Not that I was opposed to it before, but clearly this is something the FO knew was likely to happen for a while now.

PG - Dante/Trey
SG - Alec/Rodney
SF - Gordon/Ingles
PF - Favors/Booker
C - Rudy/Tomic

I mean - all we're really signing/drafting for is depth across the board OR a star talent. Pretty exciting times in Jazzland, the playoffs are a fair expectation in 2015-2016.

Isn't that what you always draft for?
 
Why is everyone excited on Tomic and Neto just because we drafted them? I'd rather sign Boris Diaw or vets like Mike Miller than overpay just because draft rights.
 
Kanter trade makes a lot more sense now. Not that I was opposed to it before, but clearly this is something the FO knew was likely to happen for a while now.

PG - Dante/Trey
SG - Alec/Rodney
SF - Gordon/Ingles
PF - Favors/Booker
C - Rudy/Tomic

I mean - all we're really signing/drafting for is depth across the board OR a star talent. Pretty exciting times in Jazzland, the playoffs are a fair expectation in 2015-2016.

I would have to assume that we draft a SF:

PG - Dante/Trey
SG - Alec/Rodney
SF - Gordon/draft pick/Ingles
PF - Favors/Booker/Evans
C - Rudy/Tomic

Do we even need to sign a free agent? Or if we do where do they plug into this team? It seems like we just need development to happen and hope we get solid players.
 
I don't dislike Kaminsky but I regularly see him in the high teens to mid 20's in drafts now. Things will probably turn around in a month - I think he'll have a huge tournament; but unless The Jazz are trading down to pick up another asset you can't blow a top 10 pick on Kaminsky.

Not sure where you guys are looking but he is in the late lotto for ESPN and draft express. He is right in the range of where our pick will be. I think people are sleeping on him a bit. He has a 36 PER right now... 5 points higher than okafor. He is pretty diverse offensively. It depends on tomic but I think frank the tank is for reals. He is a senior but he was good last year too... He leads one of the best teams in the country.
 
Tomic is not a good defender. For the few that dont know, get that into your head right now. He is however a willing passer, good post skills, and good all around offensive game.

He is a talent, and in the prime of his career. He makes our bench a lot better.

Get excited Jazz bros.

[video=youtube_share;9W0zv4Lg1Vw]https://youtu.be/9W0zv4Lg1Vw

I remember, years ago, he and Splitter used to do battle in the Euroleagues and Ante was on par. I think Ante will be great on the second team. We have a solid bench forming.

Trey, Rodney, Draft Pick, Book, ATomic Bomb.
 
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Barcelona fan on RGM said:
First of all... :banghead: That explains our recent rumours of resigning Pleiss after being almost cut a few weeks ago.

Tomic is a very good basketball player, and probably has the kind of skillset that Gobert lacks (albeit RG has the phisical tools to become a beast on this league), he is indeed soft, but his time under XPascual, our coach, has toughtened him a lot, not only in his approach of the game (he dunks the ball a lot more finishing instead of the weak layups he used to, yet he still misses one shot a game where he chooses to lay up instead of the easy dunk) but in his mental attitude, he's agressive and resilient, is not shy of contact despite his thin, weak frame, and has become a decent defender on euroleague standards (will struggle to addapt to the faster NBA athletes).

He's really a poor man's Pau Gasol on offense, skilled, good hands, can finnish with both hands, quick on decision making, good passer out of the double team, very good on the PnR (kinda meh on the pick setting tho) and well, he's 7'1" barefoot with long arms, so he's tall, and last time i checked, that is kinda good for this game.

On D, well, he was a freaking disaster when he was on RM, but as i said, those years working with Pascual (OT, this guy would become a top5 NBA coach the moment he got a chance, he's THAT good) have fixed some of the holes he has, his lateral movement is decent for someone of his height, he's a good weakside blocker, his length bothers other centers and he doesnt miss many rotations... on the other side, he's bullied easily by stronger players who like to trample to the hoop (a la ZBO), cannot defend AT ALL outside 15-18 feet range and still makes the ocasional "lower your arms" fault when he should just kept those arms up.

Overall... smart, good piece to have, nice back up for RG, good for utah, i guess, they're building well.

Now... To watch Tibor Pleiss who is like the softened version of the early soft Tomic. No, seriously, Pleiss is like watching someone who has all the tools of the world to be freaking great!!! but instead of human blood he runs on distilled water.

Spanish paper @sport says Barcelona will look into upping Tomic salary to see if they can keep him. Current cont. seems to b 1.8M€ after tax

— Nuno Sá (@nsanba) March 6, 2015
2M USD after tax? How much will they give him and how much would we have to offer to get him? About 5-6M should be enough methinks.
 
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2M USD after tax? How much will they give him and how much would we have to offer to get him? About 5-6M should be enough methinks.

Utah can only contribute a certain amount to a buyout-- the rest needs to come out of Tomic's pocket.


So, Utah's gotta offer a pretty big salary to Tomic. I would do 3 years, 5-7mill per.


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2M USD after tax? How much will they give him and how much would we have to offer to get him? About 5-6M should be enough methinks.
That's in Euros. He's making about $3.4 million in US dollars. I'm guessing it'll take somewhere between $4-7 million on a 3 year deal. How much did Scola get? Somewhere between Scola and Mirotic.
 
That's in Euros. He's making about $3.4 million in US dollars. I'm guessing it'll take somewhere between $4-6 million on a 3 year deal. How much did Scola get?

1.8M Euros is 1.95M USD. The dollar is strong now...
 
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