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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

Yeah, you're wrong. I'm not saying changes don't need to be made, they do. This system of crony capitalism is disgusting and doesn't help that many people. With that said, this guy wants to remove the multitude of choices that we have. He wants to lower the income gap by reducing our economic growth. Those are things that aren't sustainable, and long term they hurt everybody.

Sanders likes to rail about how too many people go hungry, but wants to lower economic growth to achieve his goals. Then we have the food and agriculture organization that says, Economic growth is necessary for alleviating poverty and reducing hunger and malnutrition,”

If Bernie Sanders is our president, the economic implications will put this country in a far worse place than its ever been.

He'll only be robbing people of choices when they have a plethora of choices to make to begin with-- unfortunately, this is a privilege that isn't extended fairly to all Americans (a nation that prides itself as an alleged meritocracy) and he is working to enable lower classes to having deserved access to choices that they haven't had before.

I for one am very fine with giving up choosing between a BMW and a Honda for the sake of letting someone poor choose between fresh produce and canned beans.
 
Your comments are a lot of unsubstantiated rhetoric. Economic growth is not binary. Many nations with narrowed income gaps manage to run extremely successful corporations with admirable growth rates. It just takes creativity. Narrowed income gaps are sustainable, as has been proven by many nations.
 
Are you cross eyed from staring down your nose at society too hard?

Your mom went cross-eyed after after she got tired of her son telling her nothing's ever wrong.

Which was the same night she came out of her room with a limp. Which was the same night I found the Minotaur costume in her closet
 
Yeah, you're wrong. I'm not saying changes don't need to be made, they do. This system of crony capitalism is disgusting and doesn't help that many people. With that said, this guy wants to remove the multitude of choices that we have. He wants to lower the income gap by reducing our economic growth. Those are things that aren't sustainable, and long term they hurt everybody.

Sanders likes to rail about how too many people go hungry, but wants to lower economic growth to achieve his goals. Then we have the food and agriculture organization that says, Economic growth is necessary for alleviating poverty and reducing hunger and malnutrition,”

If Bernie Sanders is our president, the economic implications will put this country in a far worse place than its ever been.

It's clear where each of us stand. I'm just the one with enough balls to find out.
 
Your comments are a lot of unsubstantiated rhetoric. Economic growth is not binary. Many nations with narrowed income gaps manage to run extremely successful corporations with admirable growth rates. It just takes creativity. Narrowed income gaps are sustainable, as has been proven by many nations.

That's quite cliche/disingenuous, and unsubstantiated rhetoric. If you want to convince anyone then you should put some meat and potatoes into this rather than some blanket apples to oranges comparison.

The USA consistently provides the highest ROI's in the developed world. For decades and decades. Germany and Japan are great at running companies. They both excel at modern mercantilism. If the USA adopted similar beggar thy neighbor policies, and many prominent democrats have pushed for them, then it would blow back on world growth, infecting the social programs of many of these countries you wish to emulate.

The economy doesn't exist in a vacuum and simply giving an example is pretty meaningless to any academic discussion. They work fine for the populist agenda on either side, which of course is why the examples are dragged out time and again.
 
That's quite cliche/disingenuous, and unsubstantiated rhetoric. If you want to convince anyone then you should put some meat and potatoes into this rather than some blanket apples to oranges comparison.

The USA consistently provides the highest ROI's in the developed world. For decades and decades. Germany and Japan are great at running companies. They both excel at modern mercantilism. If the USA adopted similar beggar thy neighbor policies, and many prominent democrats have pushed for them, then it would blow back on world growth, infecting the social programs of many of these countries you wish to emulate.

The economy doesn't exist in a vacuum and simply giving an example is pretty meaningless to any academic discussion. They work fine for the populist agenda on either side, which of course is why the examples are dragged out time and again.

tl;dr "Here's my unrepresented, unprovable, unadjusted for inflation/deflation/production/ethics/religious needs fact. But where you're concerned, the economy doesn't exist in a vacuum, so your factual example means nothing! SEE HOW THE POPULIST AGENDA HAS EATEN YOUR SOUL!?!?!?!?!?"
 
Your mom went cross-eyed after after she got tired of her son telling her nothing's ever wrong.

Which was the same night she came out of her room with a limp. Which was the same night I found the Minotaur costume in her closet

tl;dr "Here's my unrepresented, unprovable, unadjusted for inflation/deflation/production/ethics/religious needs fact. But where you're concerned, the economy doesn't exist in a vacuum, so your factual example means nothing! SEE HOW THE POPULIST AGENDA HAS EATEN YOUR SOUL!?!?!?!?!?"

Your childish responses/tantrums aren't even amusing anymore. Do you really think you're being cute? Or is it that context is such a hard thing for you to grasp?
 
Your childish responses/tantrums aren't even amusing anymore. Do you really think you're being cute? Or is it that context is such a hard thing for you to grasp?

I'm entertaining myself. And I'm sure there's at least a couple others that giggle. That's really the important part anyway... Why else cry about politics on a Sports team board?

But instead of sticking to your guns, perhaps you should actually look at our world. It's great, but could use an overhaul. Ignoring symptoms because you can't find a way to "make them work" in your current day to day ideology or understanding is only going to compound the future diagnosed problem... and there will be one. Look how far medicine has come in just 100 years.

Just because you don't grasp context that others do, doesn't mean there's no other context to grasp.
 
He'll only be robbing people of choices when they have a plethora of choices to make to begin with-- unfortunately, this is a privilege that isn't extended fairly to all Americans (a nation that prides itself as an alleged meritocracy) and he is working to enable lower classes to having deserved access to choices that they haven't had before.

I for one am very fine with giving up choosing between a BMW and a Honda for the sake of letting someone poor choose between fresh produce and canned beans.


I see your point but this notion that it has to be one or the other just rings hollow to me.
 
He'll only be robbing people of choices when they have a plethora of choices to make to begin with-- unfortunately, this is a privilege that isn't extended fairly to all Americans (a nation that prides itself as an alleged meritocracy) and he is working to enable lower classes to having deserved access to choices that they haven't had before.

I for one am very fine with giving up choosing between a BMW and a Honda for the sake of letting someone poor choose between fresh produce and canned beans.

Food is as cheap as ever. And we have an unprecedented diversity and abundance of it. I can throw numbers at you, like how we're spending 9% of our income on food as opposed to 15% just 30 years ago, but a simple trip to the grocery store is sufficient to convince anyone. Half of the produce section is filled with fruits and vegs that I haven't even heard of. I just filled my fridge with fresh produce for about $25. The system that produced this abundance is the same that provides the "plethora of choice".

The wealth gap that leftists obsess over is mostly a product of advancing technology. A 100 billion company like 1970s Kodak employed 150k people, while a typical new tech company, like Facebook, employs only 5k. You can try to artificially reduce the gap by introducing wealth redistribution tactics, but I highly doubt they would actually improve standards of living for the vast majority of people any better than the gap-creating capitalist system. Additionally, the gap will continue to expand. What will you do when 90% of farmers jobs are replaced with robots in the next 20 years? Would you like to stifle the advance of technology in order to prolong the status quo? That's an astonishingly short-sighted view.

Bernie Sanders's view of economics is basically a bunch of populist slogans. Very few economists take him seriously, which makes it difficult for me to do so. I love his views on foreign policy and social justice, but his economic perspective is bunk.
 
Your comments are a lot of unsubstantiated rhetoric. Economic growth is not binary. Many nations with narrowed income gaps manage to run extremely successful corporations with admirable growth rates. It just takes creativity. Narrowed income gaps are sustainable, as has been proven by many nations.

More and more Americans are getting tired of subsidizing the social programs of other western nations by providing for their defense. America is on the verge of following the example of the rest of the world. Be careful what you wish for.
 
He'll only be robbing people of choices when they have a plethora of choices to make to begin with-- unfortunately, this is a privilege that isn't extended fairly to all Americans (a nation that prides itself as an alleged meritocracy) and he is working to enable lower classes to having deserved access to choices that they haven't had before.

I for one am very fine with giving up choosing between a BMW and a Honda for the sake of letting someone poor choose between fresh produce and canned beans.

Oh good grief. We have more than enough food. But fine, lets say we eliminste some choices. We'll get rid of Honda here. Bye bye thousands of jobs for salesmen, manufacturers and mechanics. Yay for less choice! That should really help even out incomes.

While we're at it, we better eliminate organic foods as a choice. No health benefit, less efficient growing, and more expensive. Truly the food of the wealthy, and not the poor. Eliminate that choice too.
 
Your comments are a lot of unsubstantiated rhetoric. Economic growth is not binary. Many nations with narrowed income gaps manage to run extremely successful corporations with admirable growth rates. It just takes creativity. Narrowed income gaps are sustainable, as has been proven by many nations.

You have a very naive view of how worldwide economics work.
 
Sanders will lose to Clinton, and we will suffer for it.

Bush vs Clinton either way we lose. Big money corporate sell outs.
 
More and more Americans are getting tired of subsidizing the social programs of other western nations by providing for their defense. America is on the verge of following the example of the rest of the world. Be careful what you wish for.

I want America to stick by their allies but stop the slow expansion of said alliances completely. Then make said allies more responsible for their own and our joint protection. (Which is why I favor the proposed Japanese constitution revision to allow them to come to Americas defense in case we are attacked. Makes it a two way street).

We already have about 40 nations on military defense alliances.
 
Food is as cheap as ever. And we have an unprecedented diversity and abundance of it. I can throw numbers at you, like how we're spending 9% of our income on food as opposed to 15% just 30 years ago, but a simple trip to the grocery store is sufficient to convince anyone. Half of the produce section is filled with fruits and vegs that I haven't even heard of. I just filled my fridge with fresh produce for about $25. The system that produced this abundance is the same that provides the "plethora of choice".

The wealth gap that leftists obsess over is mostly a product of advancing technology. A 100 billion company like 1970s Kodak employed 150k people, while a typical new tech company, like Facebook, employs only 5k. You can try to artificially reduce the gap by introducing wealth redistribution tactics, but I highly doubt they would actually improve standards of living for the vast majority of people any better than the gap-creating capitalist system. Additionally, the gap will continue to expand. What will you do when 90% of farmers jobs are replaced with robots in the next 20 years? Would you like to stifle the advance of technology in order to prolong the status quo? That's an astonishingly short-sighted view.

Bernie Sanders's view of economics is basically a bunch of populist slogans. Very few economists take him seriously, which makes it difficult for me to do so. I love his views on foreign policy and social justice, but his economic perspective is bunk.

We need to get the workweek back down to 40 hours. The 8 hour workday is disappearing for too many people and it has bad economic/quality of life consequences for the middle class.

Get rid of salary for employees making less than 60k
Make the 41st hour double time
 
We need to get the workweek back down to 40 hours. The 8 hour workday is disappearing for too many people and it has bad economic/quality of life consequences for the middle class.

Get rid of salary for employees making less than 60k
Make the 41st hour double time

What do we do for managers/owners who have to work more than 40 hrs a week? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, it's just an honest question.

Honestly though, if I worked 40 hours or less I'd get bored. I'm weird though.
 
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