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bigb said:
I truly appreciate this sentiment.
For the last couple years, the firmness of my faith and activity in the church has wavered significantly. After listening repeatedly to the last General Conference, I had decided it was time to fish or cut bait. It had been several years since I'd read The Book of Mormon, so I started reading it. Before long, I realized I was doing more than just reading it, I was actively studying it. I even went to all three hours of church this past Sunday. I was legitimately starting to get back into the church thing. Now this new policy comes along and it is really troubling to me. I've been really struggling with it since I heard the news. I really have some soul searching and praying to do.
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I mean it man. I have plenty of LDS friends and family, and they battle hard with this stuff. Not only not feeling right about it, but the barrage of criticism is a lot to take. I feel for you mang.


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green said:
If homosexuals marry, why is it still a sin?

I'm sorry if I come off rude or crass, but I am really trying to find the correct answer to this.
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Paul wrote a decent amount about marriage, and how it's meant for a man and a woman. It verifies everything the Bible has said about homosexuality. That would be why.
 
Howard said:
Paul wrote a decent amount about marriage, and how it's meant for a man and a woman. It verifies everything the Bible has said about homosexuality. That would be why.
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Paul also wrote other stuff that are now routinely ignored (e.g., women staying silent in church). So, I'm wondering, what's the decision rule for determining whether what Paul says should be accepted, and what should be ignored?
 
bigb said:
Personally, I would never discourage my kids from sharing what they believe/is an important part of their lives with anybody. Like I shared before, I've got to come to grips with this new policy myself. As a human, I don't like it. But I don't believe I have to like it to accept it. If I can, after much study and prayer come to a peaceful understanding/acceptance of it, I can move on. If I can't, I get to make a major and difficult life changing decision. IF I feel that God is okay with it (whether it's a "revelation" or not), and my kids are old enough to invite friends (two of mine are currently old enough), I wouldn't have a problem with it. If I saw dais friends taking significant interest in the church, at that point in time I would have a conversation with my kid and the friend.
Did that make sense?
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So you will allow your kids to introduce what you believe is the true church to any of their friends that they want to, and then just hope that the subset of friends who happen to have gay parents don't decide that they like it?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
So you will allow your kids to introduce what you believe is the true church to any of their friends that they want to, and then just hope that the subset of friends who happen to have gay parents don't decide that they like it?
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Ugh. That's not at all what I said. I said that IF the friend showed interest, that would be the time to have a conversation. IMO, there is no need to bring it up to a kid that goes to church once and shows no interest in progressing. Never did I say I wouldn't want/hope the kid didn't like it. But nice try.
 
bigb said:
Ugh. That's not at all what I said. I said that IF the friend showed interest, that would be the time to have a conversation. IMO, there is no need to bring it up to a kid that goes to church once and shows no interest in progressing. Never did I say I wouldn't want/hope the kid didn't like it. But nice try.
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Yes, but if a child with gay parents does happen to show interest then you have an uncomfortable issue on your hands. I guess I just can't imagine having that conversation.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Yes, but if a child with gay parents does happen to show interest then you have an uncomfortable issue on your hands. I guess I just can't imagine having that conversation.
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I don't imagine any gay person would be shocked at a Christian church hating gay people. It sucks. But I'm sure gay people deal with this crap often enough.

It sure makes missionary work difficult.
 
The LDS Church is and has been a joke. But this is breathtakingly bad even for them.

Keep on digging that grave, boys.
 
b_line said:
I don't imagine any gay person would be shocked at a Christian church hating gay people. It sucks. But I'm sure gay people deal with this crap often enough.

It sure makes missionary work difficult.
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So you will have your conversation with the parents? You will thank them for allowing you to introduce their child to your church and tell them that you have noticed the child is showing some interest. And then you will tell them that by church policy their child is going to have to renounce their lifestyle? Yeah, I'm sure they will just think, "We deal with this crap often enough."
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
So you will have your conversation with the parents? You will thank them for allowing you to introduce their child to your church and tell them that you have noticed the child is showing some interest. And then you will tell them that by church policy their child is going to have to renounce their lifestyle? Yeah, I'm sure they will just think, "We deal with this crap often enough."
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I'm not defending it. I don't want to have that conversation. I was just bringing up the fact that homophobia is not novel.
 
b_line said:
I'm not defending it. I don't want to have that conversation. I was just bringing up the fact that homophobia is not novel.
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Yes, so what I was pointing out is that your stated strategy would lead you into a very uncomfortable situation, unless you got lucky and there were either no friends with gay parents, or those friends did not show interest. Comments like "It makes missionary work difficult," are amazing to me because the reason you are suggesting the work is difficult is that the organization you want to do the missionary work has notified you that they aren't going to treat certain children in a "Christian" way.
 
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