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NAOS said:
I don't think you're being objective right now.
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Ok. I watched the play on espn. Saw ginobli pressuring the ball closer than is normally allowed (the refs don't normally let you go out of bounds to defend) and then I saw ginobli get pushed away with an elbow and flop a little.
Refs blew the call all over the place then the spurs got a steal, an open look, and missed. Thunder got the ball and the buzzer sounded.

I recognize the elbow. I just don't pretend to not see what happened before the elbow and for that I apologize.

I also agree that one of the missed calls was worse than the other.

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spycam1 said:
My guess is that the play was clean other than the second where his toe crosses the line. That does not give Waiters the right to commit a flagrant foul on him.

There were two incorrect no calls: one was extremely minor and excusable by human error; the other was a major and blatantly obvious call not excusable by human error. These two things do not cancel each other out. They're not remotely comparable.

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I agree that the elbow was the worse of the two missed calls by a large margin.

I see refs miss two calls in a game with one being much more obvious than the other all the time.

Officiating in the nba sucks.

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fishonjazz said:
I agree that the elbow was the worse of the two missed calls by a large margin.

I see refs miss two calls in a game with one being much more obvious than the other all the time.

Officiating in the nba sucks.

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Yeah, but there's never been something quite like this.

When Harden made that game winning shot against GS after he pushed off, I thought it was bad, but it's not like I haven't seen that happen before. And I can understand the refs missing it; it's a fast paced game and maybe they were far away with a bad vantage point.

But this play was something I've never seen.

I can't recall a player ever shoving another player so he could inbound the ball. And there's no human error here. The ref was standing practically as close to the play as I am to my phone while typing this.

This, more than any other play in recent memory, is the sort of thing that makes people think the NBA is rigged.
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The way I saw that play: You either interrupt the play on the first violation you see before the ball goes live and talk to the captains(BEcause assessing technicals on the final possession is stupid)
Or if you see everybody take a physical approach you let it play out to the point where someone mixes up basketball with fighting sports.
 
I'm glad that they let them play. The refs whistle gets blown too much as it is. If Ginobli had taken one across the jaw it would be different. He decided to flail looking for a call rather than stand his ground.(it was a bump not a shove) The NBA will be much more exciting when guys like Favors get the calls for playing basketball instead of guys getting calls for playing the refs.
 
spycam1 said:
We don't know that the shove wouldn't have occurred if they had blown the whistle and begun again.

If someone's toe crossing the line allows the offensive player to elbow the defender in the chest, then my open gym just got a lot more interesting.

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Yeah but him crossing the line came first. That should have been called and OKC could have ran a different inbounds. Hell if San Antonio had a previous delay of game, it would have been a FT for OKC.
 
spycam1 said:
These incorrect calls are not even in the same stratosphere.

And like I said, had the correct call been made, it would have resulted in more than just the Spurs getting the ball: they would have shot a FT. So the fact that they still managed to steal the ball is irrelevant.

I don't know how you can watch that replay and not think that the ref completely ****ed up. Charles, Kenny, Shaq, and Webber were all completely baffled during the live feed. They all said they have never seen anything like this.

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Completely disagree. If someone is crossing the line while guarding you for an inbounds, that is just as bad as the inbounder pushing off said defender (who is illegally too close).

If the correct call is made, the Thunder get to reset. They might have even had a FT if they had been whistled for a previous delay of game.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree. Often teams don't call a timeout because they don't want the defense to get set. iirc mills got a wide open three on that last play. (I could be wrong about that but I think he did)
Also, couldn't they have called a timeout and run a set play?

Is there a rule about giving the inbounder a certain amount of space to inbound the ball? (I have no idea)



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Pretty sure it's like 3 feet of space.
 
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