Anyone else wonder

[cowhide]

Huh??

We had 0 "stars" at the beginning of the season and now we have 2...

Thinking Rudy and Gordon have reached their ceiling after their first playoff experience is ludicrous!!!

Gordon can still do more and I'd suggest this loss will burn in his guts all off season and he will come back better again.

Rudy can do SO much!!! Who knows where his ceiling is... He can still defend better ie screens, switching and perimeter and what if he added a few post moves or a 10-12 footer?? MY LORD!

Dante will improve
Hood will improve
Lyles should improve
Alec should be healthy
Favors should be healthy
Quin will improve

At the start of the season if you were to tell me we won a playoff series and got knocked out by the warriors, I'd have thought it a successful year with the playoff experience HUGE for our development.

I like your optimism but reality is that not all of those are going to happen. Realistically one or two might happen.

Both Exum and Lyles seem to be in Quin's doghouse. Lyles didn't even get off the bench so he has a lot of improvement to do but what does it say when he can't even get off the bench. I think Hood is who he is. I don't think Alec or Favors will ever be the same players they were beside the fact their salaries are an obstacle to improving the team. This team has a lot of unanswered questions right now. Changes are going to be needed if they want to move up to the next level. Hoping guys will improve isn't going to get us to the next level.

 

[Miggs]

Hood is a huge key. If this is who he is, he's a bench player. If he can become more consistent and shoot 41% from three, he's a legit starter and weapon.

And here's some good news. The Warriors have a ton of free agents. UFA's are Curry, Barnes, Iggy, Clark, McGee, Pachulia, West, and Livingston. McAdoo is a RFA. They'll retain Curry obviously but after him, they could be much different going forward.

 

[MilesDeep]

Unless cp3, Westbrook, Wall, or curry is coming I wouldn't spend 20+ mil on the pg position, especially because it looks like Exum is ready to take that next step where you let him go, if he can't produce/improve, move on. Mack, Favors, Hill, and Diaw are gone because their presence prevents the growth of people that will be better or cheaper.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Unless cp3, Westbrook, Wall, or curry is coming I wouldn't spend 20+ mil on the pg position, especially because it looks like Exum is ready to take that next step where you let him go, if he can't produce/improve, move on. Mack, Favors, Hill, and Diaw are gone because their presence prevents the growth of people that will be better or cheaper.

Exum is ready to take the next step? What evidence are you basing this on?

Losing 2 starters (1 being our PG) and 2 key bench players? And some people think we will improve because of it??? Okayyyyyy...

 

[Deleted member 365]

I mean, this team won 51 games while on crutches for most the season. Not a stretch at all to assume we would be a 60 win team with a healthy Favors and Hill.

So are we going to hang our heads that we aren't winning 65 plus?


That stupid Warriors team has pretty much ruined fans ideas of how good their team is. This Jazz team is the best we've had since John and Karl.

That 2007 jazz team was pretty good. But they could never acquire that next player. They could never improve to take that next step. That's my fear.

I remember hearing the same stuff too, Deron will improve, boozer will do this, memo will do that, ak will for sure bounce back...

 

[Deleted member 95]

I mean, this team won 51 games while on crutches for most the season. Not a stretch at all to assume we would be a 60 win team with a healthy Favors and Hill.

So are we going to hang our heads that we aren't winning 65 plus?


That stupid Warriors team has pretty much ruined fans ideas of how good their team is. This Jazz team is the best we've had since John and Karl.

This rendition of the Warriors is pretty much HD VR pornhub vs your hot girlfriend. She's smoking but she quite doesn't cut it anymore somehow. It's ********

 

[Deleted member 365]

This rendition of the Warriors is pretty much HD VR pornhub vs your hot girlfriend. She's smoking but she quite doesn't cut it anymore somehow. It's ********

I don't get why we are focusing on the warriors.

We would've lost against the clippers had Blake not gone down.

I think it's very debatable if we could beat the rockets and Spurs in a 7 game series.

Beating the Blake-less clippers in 7 seems to have given some fans the thought that we are the 2nd best team in the west. Interesting.

 

[ijazz]

If this is as good as this core will be?

I'm curious to see how we will improve this offseason. We will be drafting late and it'll be interesting to see how we manage our financials.

My biggest fear is that gobert and Hayward are our set stars. But that we've topped out. I hope that we haven't whiffed on too many picks to doom gobert and Hayward, as what happened to Memphis, OKC when they had harden, LA Clippers, or even the jazz in the Deron/Boozer/AK/Memo era.

Think about it, Burke, Burks, Exum, Kanter, and Lyles are all zeros. Lyles is our lotto pick from just a few years ago and has contributed less than the jazz bear in this playoff run.

Had Burke, Burks, kanter all played out the same way, but just imagine how great of a series this would be had Exum given us just patty mills production and instead of drafting Lyles we had drafted Booker.

My fear is that we whiffed on too many picks and that this is who we are.

Gordon is who he is.

He plays in a system and will always pass to someone for a better shot. He has gotten better at "taking his" but it is not in his DNA. I think he will always be a borderline all-star Top 20 player in the NBA. Nothing wrong with that. There are few Lebron, Durants out there.
This off season signing him is key and I am not so sure it is a slam dunk like others think. Money is not an issue for him as he is set for life, generations for life. If he wants a ring, Boston will be his best shot. Best thing for the Jazz would be for Cleveland to sweep Boston to give him pause.....

Gobert is a defensive beast and I love his toughness. I love his emotion as well.

Everyone else ...... strange FA coming. Ingles will get paid so be gone. Hill not worth resigning, Hood has been crap.......

We need a starting PG so bad. If we had a reliable one I think Hayward would be inclined to stay. (I do not count hill)

As such, as was mentioned on the broadcast yesterday, you can't always assume you will get back. I think we had a team this year that if fully healthy should have been able to take GS to at least a game6 if not game7. We didn't. Hood and Ingles lost their way. Hill is not reliable, old and injury prone.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I'm not worried. As long as we stay around the salary cap. That's the key. We need to stay near the salary cap until we find the piece we're missing next to Gobert and Hayward. Whether that's through one of our own young guys breaking out, a signing in free agency, or a trade. If we go way over the salary cap before we find that missing piece then I will be worried. That's my worst fear.

After we max out Hayward, how much leeway will we have left?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Huh??

We had 0 "stars" at the beginning of the season and now we have 2...

Thinking Rudy and Gordon have reached their ceiling after their first playoff experience is ludicrous!!!

Gordon can still do more and I'd suggest this loss will burn in his guts all off season and he will come back better again.

Rudy can do SO much!!! Who knows where his ceiling is... He can still defend better ie screens, switching and perimeter and what if he added a few post moves or a 10-12 footer?? MY LORD!

Dante will improve
Hood will improve
Lyles should improve
Alec should be healthy
Favors should be healthy
Quin will improve

At the start of the season if you were to tell me we won a playoff series and got knocked out by the warriors, I'd have thought it a successful year with the playoff experience HUGE for our development.

Saying that Exum and Lyles will improve isn't reassuring. They have no where to go but up. "Improve" can also mean multiple things. Lyles "improving" so that he can play 10 mins? Or that he can start for Diaw or favors?

Exum improving... so he isn't beaten out by Mack and Neto?

I'd like specifics because Exum and Lyles are lottery picks who were projected to be key role players at the worst and Stars next to Hayward at best.

They're both complete and utter busts who can't even get 5 mins of PT for most games so far.

 

[Deleted member 365]

We're just scratching the surface as far as I'm concerned...

Based on what?

Who's going to become that 3rd star we so desperately need? This team is still woefully short of shooters, guys who can create off the dribble, and a healthy and effective 4.

This offseason is crucial. I really hope we haven't squandered too many opportunities to improve this team. Lyles instead of Booker was a huge miss

 

[DasJazz]

I'm disappointed the Jazz didn't give more of a fight to the Warriors so far, but in reality, just like it's been all season, we're working with a injury riddled squad. Favors has been broken all year, Hill has been broken all year, Hood has been broken all year. That's 3 major contributors right there that aren't really helping out like they should be because they are fighting nagging injuries. If those 3 alone were healthy we would be talking about taking the Warriors to the brink instead of what our prospects will be next season.