The Jazz most likely arent the team in this situation holding out.
Nikola Mirotic
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I'm talking about giving them a pick.
Yes, I think Tatum fits with them pretty well and would still be drafted higher. Or if the draft was redone more likely Boston keeps their pick and drafts the guy they want Tatum.
I personally like Mitchell but I am not sure he is the #1 draft pick if things were redone today. But there is an argument for it, no doubt.
Jazz would he dumb to give up their lotto pick. Let's not be ridiculous.
latin jazz
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Mmm, if we consider KD a PF then he would be on the list. Other players on the fringes would be Markkanen (37.3%), Tobias Harris (42% but on 5.7 attempts), Kevin Love (41% on 5.7), and wait, wait for it....CJ Miles who plays SF/PF (37.9% yikes, I went there
).But yeah, we are pulling hairs here. We can make arbitrary cuts and use numbers as we please to support our opinion. But your point, and I agree with it, is that at the 4 position Mirotic would give a big boost to our offense. However, I don't expect him to be this good nor that his role will change dramatically here. Maybe he will get to play about 30 minutes or a bit more but that will depend on our roster make up next year.
On the other hand, more 3point attempts is not always good, particularly when you are not an elite shooter. That was one of the knocks on Mirotic's game: he would stand around the 3pt line and pump fake like crazy, resulting in bad shots. This year he is not hesitating, he is getting to the FT more and spending more time around the basket. I think those are real improvements but I expect the 46% from 3 to go down. Again, 38 or 39% would still be very very good.
If they are not trying to tank then Favors is a great fit next to Markkanen and they would be interested in him. But, they are tanking right now to get a good pick.
Top 14 protected. You can't tell me they balk at that when they're trying to pick off first rounders from Detroit and Portland.
latin jazz
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KD but we can also include other players if we are willing to move the cut a little bit (i.e. Markkanen)
They dont need to trade for him though. They can just sign him in the off-season if they want him. They are asking for a first round pick. I'm sure they will target Favors in the off-season, but there are probably centers they would want over him.
Jazz don't want a pick put in limbo for trade purposes. Makes it impossible to trade future picks.
They can target him but its much harder to sign a guy that is a free agent and you dont have bird rights to. If they were even thinking about targeting him as a FA then they would most likely be open to a straight up trade. But again they are currently tanking.
They don't need birds rights, they have cap-space.
latin jazz
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But we don't have that. We are not offering our 1st. Most we can offer is second rounders or as Cy pointed out, get a third team involved to give up a late 1st.
I was wondering today that If we didn't trade for Rubio, we could have used OKC's pick to trade for Mirotic.
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This again goes back to the idea of ‘can flexibility dribble a basketball?’ Pass up a good deal for the FOMO on the potential of a hypothetical in the future.
Again, we used our ****ing mulligan on Rubio.
If the Bulls trade Robin Lopez for nothing and play Felicio for 30 mpg, I'll call it tanking. Until then, thy havent done anything to lose yet. They havent sat Mirotic. They brought back LaVine before people thought he would be ready.
I mean, imagine if the Jazz only had one pick before trading Rubio and they Jazz traded a protected first for Rubio. Then the Jazz wouldn't have a first to offer for Mirotic. So you would be pissed.
Just wait for the Cavs to be ready to trade when they give up on DeAndre Jordan.
What you're saying is that we effectively don't have a first rounder to give them, so what's the difference between not giving it up now because we don't want it locked up, or it being locked up now because we can't give it away? The Rubio deal was stupid because a blind dog knew Rubio wasn't a fit. Mirotic is a great fit. But we spent our first rounder on the "obviously not a fit" move.
I am very very doubtful any team is going to give them both an expiring contract and a 1st for Mirotic. They also have Lavine as a free agent and plan on retaining him. Their ability to offer a decent contract is going to be restricted. There are also many other reasons to get him on your team before being a FA if you want to retain them. Plus you dont have whatever team trades for him that wants him to compete with since other teams will also have salary restrictions.
Yeah, duh. Players and Coaches dont tank. FO do. That is why they want Mirotic gone. Obviously they would trade Portis if they cared about winning now.
I'm saying Jazz shouldnt give up any pick for Mirotic.