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Catchall said:
I was pining for Paul George in this draft, and I'll be honest here, I don't often pine...
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I will one up you by saying I wanted George in the draft and I wanted Kawhi > Burks the next year.
 
I was pining for Paul George in this draft, and I'll be honest here, I don't often pine...
JustTheTip said:
You also thought Hayward was an awful pick, and at the time of the pick, thought the short list had to be George, Luke Babbit and Ed Davis.
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I did. I didn't think Hayward was a great shooter, a great defender or a great athlete for that matter. He really developed his game, though it took him about 5 years. I liked Paul George and Hassan Whiteside in that draft.
 
JustTheTip said:
If you wanted proof that collectively, we're a bunch of idiots, this thread is it.
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The only truly stupid thing is pretending that you can project NBA players with any level of confidence. GM's and scouts have access to knowledge and data that we could only dream of and still get it wrong most of the time. I've always chuckled at guys who take themselves so seriously that they think they can project players. Whether that's draft picks or guys like Exum. Nobody knows for sure and YOU definitely don't (speaking of whoever is saying they do).

I always have my favorites, and I know I tend to over value attributes like length, speed, athleticism, and shooting ability. I have a weakness for Euros as well. But every year I can almost always convince myself that a DL pick was legitimate. I didn't love the Bradley pick this year because I'd rather try to gamble on a pick with higher upside instead of a guy whose ceiling is backup 5 on this team. But even then I can see why they liked him. I think the best way to look at picks or young players is to ask yourself if it makes sense that they could develop into a player that would fit the culture and vision of the team moving forward.
 
I wanted whiteside
 
JustTheTip said:
This is beautiful.
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I'll be honest, even though Hayward was much better than I thought he was going to be, I never fell in love with him. I always thought some measure of his popularity had to do with how he looked. The Madame and I only referred to him as "Elder Hayward." I barely feel like he was important to the franchise's history. He was our best player during our most sustained period of mediocrity in my lifetime.

Last summer I was honestly perplexed that the whole NBA world was in stasis waiting for a guy who has a 0% chance of EVER making Team USA.

I'm already way higher on Mitchell than I ever got on Hayward over seven years.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'll be honest, even though Hayward was much better than I thought he was going to be, I never fell in love with him. I always thought some measure of his popularity had to do with how he looked. The Madame and I only referred to him as "Elder Hayward." I barely feel like he was important to the franchise's history. He was our best player during our most sustained period of mediocrity in my lifetime.

Last summer I was honestly perplexed that the whole NBA world was in stasis waiting for a guy who has a 0% chance of EVER making Team USA.

I'm already way higher on Mitchell than I ever got on Hayward over seven years.
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Uhh, he is going to be on the next Team USA most likely (if he recovers from the injury to his former level). He was a really great player, the Jazz just took a very slow rebuild path and got unlucky with some draft decisions (Kanter, Burke, and Burks being varying degrees of ineffective towards the grand scheme on winning) and the wrong decision on Millsap. If the Jazz build around a Hayward/Favors/Millsap core and don't **** up the Burke draft, then the whole outlook on his tender here is probably pretty different, even if he still left.

But yeah, Hayward's personality never attributed itself to being liked. If you like Hayward off the court it was just because of what he represented, a quiet introverted person you could relate to on surface level of those traits.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, he is going to be on the next Team USA most likely (if he recovers from the injury to his former level).
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I just don't think this is true.

The wing slots for 2016 were Harrison Barnes, Jimmy Butler, Demar Derozan, Paul George, and Klay Thompson. Realistically, the only person I can see him beating out in that group for 2018 is Harrison Barnes.

Consider that now we have Bradley Beal, Victor Oladipo, and CJ McCollum on the come up and I just don't see it for Hayward. I honestly think there's a better chance that Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker or Khris Middleton are on Team USA next cycle than Hayward.

Feel free to quote me in two years if I'm wrong. But if he hadn't been on our team I honestly think we wouldn't have strong feelings about him at all.
 
Hayward is a good player, a max player. He's an ideal complementary player and 'second star' who has had one good playoff series in his career so far. I think it's fair to say he exceeded expectations. He was considered to be a top 20 player in the league when he got injured.

Most people still like Paul George and Jimmy Butler ahead of him. Klay Thompson maybe too.
 
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