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utahjazzz said:
No, you are very wrong. Taking 2 point shots inside the paint is simply more efficient than chucking 3s and benefit your team more. And this is exactly what simmons is doing.

Let's do some maths:
Mitchell is a 30 % 3 point shooter, Ben is a 55% 2 point shooter, lets say they each takes 10 shots

mitchell 10×3×0.3= 9 poiints
simmons 10×2×.55= 11 points

As you can see, if you are efficient shooter inside the paint like Ben, your team actually gain more points from simmons' scoring inside the paint than mitchell's 3 balls. Hope this make sense to you.
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Wow!! I didn't think it was possible, but your idiocy has shut me up, to respond to this would be like talking to a wall, idiot!!


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utahjazzz said:
No, you are very wrong. Taking 2 point shots inside the paint is simply more efficient than chucking 3s and benefit your team more. And this is exactly what simmons is doing.

Let's do some maths:
Mitchell is a 30 % 3 point shooter, Ben is a 55% 2 point shooter, lets say they each takes 10 shots

mitchell 10×3×0.3= 9 poiints
simmons 10×2× 0.55= 11 points

As you can see, if you are an efficient shooter inside the paint like Ben, your team actually gain more points from simmons' scoring inside the paint than mitchell's 3 balls. Hope this make sense to you.
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For starters, Mitchell is a 34% 3pt shooter this season, not 30%. So that's 10.2 pts... much closer than Simmons' 11 points than you care to admit.

For seconders, have you heard of the concept of spacing? Having 3pt threats opens up the middle and allows other players on the team to have a much higher FG%. If that's not a familiar concept I recommend you google "modern NBA offense" and read about it. Here's just one article that popped up: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/4/14/17237748/nba-offense-stats-highlights-analysis-breakdown
 
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Wow!! I didn't think it was possible, but your idiocy has shut me up, to respond to this would be like talking to a wall, idiot!!


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Well, I have showed you that a 50% inside scorer like simmons is more valuable than a 30% 3 point shooter like mitchell.
You are still not convinced?
Unless you are a 40% 3 point shooter, constantly chucking up 3s is actually bad for the team. And this is what mitchell is doing in the playoff.
 
utahjazzz said:
Well, I have showed you that a 50% inside scorer like simmons is more valuable than a 30% 3 point shooter like mitchell.
You are still not convinced?
Unless you are a 40% 3 point shooter, constantly chucking up 3s is actually bad for the team. And this is what mitchell is doing in the playoff.
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So apparently you didn't read my post, then?
 
utahjazzz said:
Well, I have showed you that a 50% inside scorer like simmons is more valuable than a 30% 3 point shooter like mitchell.
You are still not convinced?
Unless you are a 40% 3 point shooter, constantly chucking up 3s is actually bad for the team. And this is what mitchell is doing in the playoff.
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You have showed us you don't understand journeyman level half-court analysis. That's it.
 
colton said:
For starters, Mitchell is a 34% 3pt shooter this season, not 30%. So that's 10.2 pts... much closer than Simmons' 11 points than you care to admit.

For seconders, have you heard of the concept of spacing? Having 3pt threats opens up the middle and allows other players on the team to have a much higher FG%. If that's not a familiar concept I recommend you google "modern NBA offense" and read about it. Here's just one article that popped up: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/4/14/17237748/nba-offense-stats-highlights-analysis-breakdown
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yes, I know the concept of spacing. Spacing is actually very important, that is why the 76ers have plenty of 3 point shooters who stretch the defense like belinelli, corvington, saric, embiid, redick. Simmons' job is not shooting the 3s, but to orchestra the offense.
 
utahjazzz said:
yes, I know the concept of spacing. Spacing is actually very important, that is why the 76ers have plenty of 3 point shooters who stretch the defense like belinelli, corvington, saric, embiid, redick. Simmons' job is not shooting the 3s, but to orchestra the offense.
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So you admit that the value of a 3pt shooter exceeds the simplistic point calculation that you did?
 
utahjazzz said:
well, it works both way. Having an inside scorer like simmons also allows outside shooters to have wide open looks.
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The same can be said for a driving threat like Mitchell. Except Mitchell is a threat both inside and outside, unlike Simmons.
 
colton said:
The same can be said for a driving threat like Mitchell. Except Mitchell is a threat both inside and outside, unlike Simmons.
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True, except that Simmons is a much more efficient scorer (55%)·
Mitchell's inefficient shooting (43%)is actually hurting the team. Ben's low free throw % hurted the team during the regular season as well. However, Ben is now shooting 71% at the free throw line in the playoff, which is a massive improvement.
 
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utahjazzz said:
But you have to agree that mitchell's 30% 3 point shooting in the playoff is hurting the team, compared to Ben's 50% field goal attempts.
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No. No I don't. It's not like OKC's shrugging off him, which still draws a defender out. Even when he's not shooting at that distance he's helping more than hurting, way more than Ben "lewk guis, im gawd in eastern conf" Simmons.

So if you understand spacing, attention, and as Donovan has called it previously "gravity" is far more important.
 
Harambe said:
No. No I don't. It's not like OKC's shrugging off him, which still draws a defender out. Even when he's not shooting at that distance he's helping more than hurting, way more than Ben "lewk guis, im gawd in eastern conf" Simmons.

So if you understand spacing, attention, and as Donovan has called it previously "gravity" is far more important.
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I beleive mitchell's 1/7 for 3s is one of main.reasons why the jazz lost this 5th match. Rubio's under performance is also another contributing factor for the loss, along with Gobert's foul trouble.
 
utahjazzz said:
I beleive mitchell's 1/7 for 3s is one of main.reasons why the jazz lost this 5th match. Rubio's under performance is also another contributing factor for the loss, along with Gobert's foul trouble.
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I believe you're not accounting for the time he has the ball, requiring the defense to keep on him. This will allow everyone else on the team more space to work.

So when you can quantify and measure gravity, spacing, and an opposing players full and honest attention, feel free to compare... we'll talk. The answer will still be Ben Simmons isn't a ****ing rookie, but I'll still entertain a fair and earnest discussion comparing the two players.
 
QS' system is methodic, play with the pass, keep passing in read-react until you get an easy shot or have to ISO outside late in the clock. That is going to spread the assists out over the entire team and lower individual shooting percentages.

BTW, DM's ts% isn't far off from Simmons' and the gap keeps closing.
 
You live a sad life, Go to the 76ers board where you will get more help like Simmons does to pad his stats and where you can also lie about being a rookie. You ain't welcome here fool

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