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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Jack Strop said:
is that why our percentages from 3pt range are so fantastic and our defense keeps getting torched by good guard combos?

3 AND D players aren't abundant. The GLeague is full of scorers who can't defend.Utah loves supposed defenders who can't shoot.

I wasn't too in love with Porter. I was intrigued by Parker, but he's pretty expensive. Would have liked him for expirings.
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yeah. that's why I added the term "prospects" after it lol. elite 3&D talents, or elite talents of any kind, will take time to develop. just look up Porter's stats during his first two seasons.

what I am saying is purely from a skillset standpoint. 3 and D aren't exactly "unique" skillset cuz those are the most translatable skills when it comes to playing in the league. hence you can always pick up a bunch of 3&D projects and let them polish their games.

And as for Gleague scoers who can't defend, I doubt their offense translates to the NBA level. Jabari's does that's why people are still talking about him right now. So are the reasons that Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams still have a job in the league despite not guarding a chair. it's way harder to find NBA level scorers who can carry team's offense than 3&D guys. simply because you have to be elite in the scoring department to even receive playing time, whereas you only have to do an OK job as a 3&D player.
 
So does Portis make a lot or does his deal come off the books? Kevin Durant is from D.C.? Would wizards have enough room to sign Durant?
 
Would have been stupid to burn our assets for Porter if Conely is still a possibility. Also, that trade was so stupid on Washington's part, there's no way to know how they value other assets. There should have been a dozen teams that could have made better offers, but maybe Grunfeld was just in love with Portis or Parker.

People need to chill the **** out.
 
If all it took to get Porter was expirings we should have done it in a heart beat. I'm hopeful that the Wiz for some reason see Parker as a real asset. Otherwise we are idiots for not beating that offer.
 
Eminence said:
If all it took to get Porter was expirings we should have done it in a heart beat. I'm hopeful that the Wiz for some reason see Parker as a real asset. Otherwise we are idiots for not beating that offer.
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You think they'd be nuts to pick up his $20mm option though.
 
MDAV28 said:
These types of comments solidify how underrated Favors is and what he provides for this team. Sure there's a case to be made that a stretch 4 could be a better fit (I'm skeptical defensively and about our backup C minutes), but to just be sick of a good, productive player on the team is selling him so short.
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Favors is a great dude and great player. But he doesn't help us where we need help in the playoffs. If we had Conley and Lowry, you would trade one to improve the team elsewhere. Having 2 good centers does us no good when we need it most.
 
DL is in a position of power in the Conley talks. Raptors, Pacers and Pistons all seem to be out. Chris Wallace can't possibly let the deadline pass without dealing Gasol and Conley.

Seems to be a staring contest right now between DL and Wallace to see who will blink first. And Wallace doesn't have any tricks to make DL blink.
 
Eminence said:
If all it took to get Porter was expirings we should have done it in a heart beat. I'm hopeful that the Wiz for some reason see Parker as a real asset. Otherwise we are idiots for not beating that offer.
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How?

Parker = Favors (both team options for next year)
Portis = What on our roster? He's a moderately promising RFA. Who do the Jazz have to match that? Tony Bradley? I guess you could put up Grayson (and I theorize the Jazz may be holding him as the last offer for Memphis if they dont budge), but Utah clearly values him.
2nd rounder = Jazz could have matched

So it looks like it came down to the Bulls offering a young RFA and Utah probably didnt want to. Cant say I blame them if there are cheaper options out there who dont eat that much of your cap.
 
While we're beating ourselves up over Porter, remember that the Kings were also supposedly in the mix for him and might have even been able to trump our offer. It's curious that they weren't a player there.

Maybe the Wizards just valued Portis and thought the chance at trying out Jabari was better. They certainly fit the "go young but try to stay relevant" model.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How?

Parker = Favors (both team options for next year)
Portis = What on our roster? He's a moderately promising RFA. Who do the Jazz have to match that? Tony Bradley? I guess you could put up Grayson (and I theorize the Jazz may be holding him as the last offer for Memphis if they dont budge), but Utah clearly values him.
2nd rounder = Jazz could have matched

So it looks like it came down to the Bulls offering a young RFA and Utah probably didnt want to. Cant say I blame them if there are cheaper options out there who dont eat that much of your cap.
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Well, Favors is actually good at basketball unlike the two traded, so that's a big one (re-route somewhere else for a pick of some sort or whatever). Portis/Parker suck.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Porter deal was spur of the moment. The Jazz and many other teams may not have even known. Porter was warming up to play against the Bucks on ESPN when he was told for crying out loud lol. So the Wizards coaching staff didn't have any idea. Seems like it came together fast.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How?

Parker = Favors (both team options for next year)
Portis = What on our roster? He's a moderately promising RFA. Who do the Jazz have to match that? Tony Bradley? I guess you could put up Grayson (and I theorize the Jazz may be holding him as the last offer for Memphis if they dont budge), but Utah clearly values him.
2nd rounder = Jazz could have matched

So it looks like it came down to the Bulls offering a young RFA and Utah probably didnt want to. Cant say I blame them if there are cheaper options out there who dont eat that much of your cap.
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I would have offered our 1st round pick for Porter. That should easily beat a young RFA.
 
Eminence said:
Well, Favors is actually good at basketball unlike the two traded, so that's a big one (re-route somewhere else for a pick of some sort or whatever). Portis/Parker suck.
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Its not a big one when they dont plan on keeping Parker or Favors long-term.
 
My hope and dream is still Jrue Holiday. If we made these other deals, he wouldn't be possible. I hope that NOLA and LA can hash out a deal and then NOLA decides to blow it up. We could end up with the perfect option.
 
So I am down to if we add Mirotic, but keep Ricky, Favors, and Exum, I'm good. That is a pretty stacked roster with flexibility and a likely home court in the first round.
 
cowhide said:
Are you saying Utah was a slave state before the Civil War? If so Utah wasn't a state until 1896 and was not counted as a slave state in the sense of North vs South slave states. Many states had slaves but were not considered slave states during the time before and during the civil war. It was Brigham Young who really cemented the racism in mormonism. He was pro slavery and a racist. Joseph Smith ran on a anti-slavery platform and baptized and ordained blacks to the priesthood. He would not seal them in the temple. I am sure like most people during that time JS had his prejudices but BY was certainly a racist. The doctrine about blacks being inferior and cursed in the pre-existence was used to implement the racism doctrine that blacks were cursed with darkened skin. I am sure this probably may have influenced some blacks to pass on Utah but it mostly had more to do with economics.
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The mormons made Utah a slave state and it was a slave state until the end of the civil war.

Brigham Young was one of the most terrible/evil men to ever live in this country. He was a tyrant and just...awful.

I agree with your last sentence.
 
LoPo said:
My hope and dream is still Jrue Holiday. If we made these other deals, he wouldn't be possible. I hope that NOLA and LA can hash out a deal and then NOLA decides to blow it up. We could end up with the perfect option.
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My main concern with Jrue is his 3 point shooting (or lack thereof).

He shot 0-7 last game, 1-7 so far today.

Not good.
 
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