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Healthiest countries in the world.... USA ranks 35th

I find unnecessary taxation as theft but I'm also an adult who can budget my money and I don't need the government codling me.
Good for you. Would you happen to have $188,000 to spare? That’s the amount every taxpayer would have to pay back to eliminate the national debt. Go ahead go first, be a fiscally responsible citizen.

This system is already constructed around debt, yet this debt is conveniently used as a fear mongering tactic when it comes to implementing a healthcare system that would benefit all of us. Outta here.
 
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Good for you. How about all those those people that take worse jobs in a recession, and lose their insurance. They don't count?
It's a recession. These things will happen anyways. My point was that with private insurance I don't have to rely on the government if **** hits the fan.
 
The nation is already $24 trillion in debt. There’s no paying that back. I don’t know why tf that is now a concern. Might as well help out the common man rather than the pharmaceutical and insurance companies that are robbing us. The costs are totally out of whack compared to other western nations. It’s fearmongering in its purest form and it’s BS


There is paying much of that back. A HUGE portion of that debt is mortgages.
 
Good for you. Would you happen to have $188,000 to spare? That’s the amount every taxpayer would have to pay back to eliminate the national debt. Go ahead go first, be a fiscally responsible citizen.

This system is already constructed around debt, yet this debt is conveniently used as a fear mongering tactic when it comes to implementing a healthcare system that would benefit all of us. Outta here.
Nope, I don't get myself in unnecessary debt like you and the government. It's not my job to pay yours or the governments bills. Adulthood and responsibility is easy.
 
Nope, I don't get myself in unnecessary debt like you and the government. It's not my job to pay yours or the governments bills. Adulthood and responsibility is easy.
I may be in debt, I may be not, you’re making an unnecessary assumption there. And you do have to pay taxes do you not? Point is the national debt will never be paid back unless there’s a full system reset, so using it as an argument against m4a is as pointless as it gets.
 
Crazy thing is, we pay about a 1/4 of our lives work to taxes and by the time I'm personally retired social security will most likely be depleted. But yay! The government is there for us. An entity that can't even balance a budget can somehow manage my entire health life.
 
It's a recession. These things will happen anyways. My point was that with private insurance I don't have to rely on the government if **** hits the fan.

When things go to pot, government insurance is more likely to persevere than private insurance.
 
I'm paying 22% of my money already... That is plenty sufficient. Sadly our elected officials couldn't budget a $20 allowance. Not my fault.

So, you're saying you want the government coddling you only to a certain degree. I accept that we disagree on the appropriate level of government coddling.
 
So, you're saying you want the government coddling you only to a certain degree. I accept that we disagree on the appropriate level of government coddling.
You all do know what a real fiscal conservative is right? I know others here claim to be yet don't practice it, but I'm actually preaching it.
 
Replacing the inefficiencies of a multi-payer system with high premiums, and using those premiums to create a more efficient single-payer system.
This has already been explained to him multiple times

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