alec burks and enes kanter

[underKANTER]

alec burks and enes kanter

it’s just a thread to generally discuss about our newest jazz members. what kind of expectations do you have of our two young guys? what kind of impact can they have as a rookie and what will their impact look like in three or four years? do you expect them to become starters, good role players, stars or even a franchise player in this league? do they both have a chance to become all-stars, hall of famers? what kind of stats can they average in the following five years? in which aspects of their game do you hope them to improve most? what do you like most about their game? are you satisfied with the two players we selected in the draft? maybe other players in the draft could have been a better choice? to which player do you compare their game to?

it’s a thread to share your general thoughts about enes kanter and alec burks only. no need to involve other players.

to go on with, i found a very new video on youtube, showing kanter’s performance in the european championship. finally, some have more video material to see his game who couldn't follow enes that much.


alec burks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxRkrUFRI0

enes kanter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZtUvAhzuQ

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

i'm even more excited about hayward and favors. favors has the length and explosiveness kanter seems to lack. his stats in his first season tend to indicate he has strong potential too. hayward meanwhile finished strong, made decisions like a veteran at times, played very solid defense for a rookie wing and hit the three at a clip that miles has never even come close to sniffing.

 

[underKANTER]

i'm even more excited about hayward and favors. favors has the length and explosiveness kanter seems to lack. his stats in his first season tend to indicate he has strong potential too. hayward meanwhile finished strong, made decisions like a veteran at times, played very solid defense for a rookie wing and hit the three at a clip that miles has never even come close to sniffing.

it's true. i like hayward, he can be our future point forward. he will be a solid starter and a very good role player. favors seems to be a great fit next to kanter, but kanter's length is not bad, actually it's solid. 6-11, 7-1 1/2 wingspan and 9-1 1/2 standing reach with the chance that it will grow a little (he just turned 19 years old), kanter has a chance to become a 7 footer in shoes (he is 6-11 1/4 right now). favors elite level athleticizm and explosiveness seem to be a solid combination to kanters great quickness and strength. they will look good together on offense and on the defensive end as well. burks will be a great slasher that gets his free throws, a solid scoring option. i do believe that all this four guys will start together in three years. add a good point guard and you have set your future. but the question is which player we will be able to resign after their rookie contracts. all four players will be solid starters with kanter and favors having the potential to become all-stars. hayward will be a very good role player and starter as i mentioned before, as well as alec burks. but burks might become a one or to time all-star in this league, but i see kanter's and favor's chance better because there are not as many talented bigs as guards in this league. we need to sign a great bigman coach to work with favors and kanter, we can not waste those two talents...

 

[BabyPeterzz]

In all honesty I'm worried about Kanter's ability to score in the NBA. I think he'll do great with opponents of equal size or smaller than him, but against legit 7'+ bigs he'll get shut down ala Boozer. His lift will be an issue, book it. I like his effort and the way he moves on defense, and I think he'll rebound with the best of them. But I don't see him getting a consistent 15-20 each night with Favors, Jefferson, and Sap ahead of him. I guess we'll see.

I think Burks has the opportunity and the ability to earn some serious burn this season. His position is probably the most wide open, at least after Hayward. His scoring, passing, and rebounding will earn him solid minutes off the bench. His defense will be the only thing that will hurt him. I see him getting at least 15-20 off the bench next season.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

In all honesty I'm worried about Kanter's ability to score in the NBA. I think he'll do great with opponents of equal size or smaller than him, but against legit 7'+ bigs he'll get shut down ala Boozer. His lift will be an issue, book it. I like his effort and the way he moves on defense, and I think he'll rebound with the best of them. But I don't see him getting a consistent 15-20 each night with Favors, Jefferson, and Sap ahead of him. I guess we'll see.

I think Burks has the opportunity and the ability to earn some serious burn this season. His position is probably the most wide open, at least after Hayward. His scoring, passing, and rebounding will earn him solid minutes off the bench. His defense will be the only thing that will hurt him. I see him getting at least 15-20 off the bench next season.

I agree. I think there will be a lot of nights where Kanter struggles on the offensive end.

 

[underKANTER]

In all honesty I'm worried about Kanter's ability to score in the NBA. I think he'll do great with opponents of equal size or smaller than him, but against legit 7'+ bigs he'll get shut down ala Boozer. His lift will be an issue, book it. I like his effort and the way he moves on defense, and I think he'll rebound with the best of them. But I don't see him getting a consistent 15-20 each night with Favors, Jefferson, and Sap ahead of him. I guess we'll see.

I think Burks has the opportunity and the ability to earn some serious burn this season. His position is probably the most wide open, at least after Hayward. His scoring, passing, and rebounding will earn him solid minutes off the bench. His defense will be the only thing that will hurt him. I see him getting at least 15-20 off the bench next season.

i agree with everything you said. but it's not like there are many 7'+ bigs in the nba. big men seem to get smaller in this league and are gaining more athleticizm. i do think that favors will be our future center and kanter will be our future power forward. both will start in two or three years. favors will be more athletic than most centers and kanter will be stronger than most power forwards. and if kanter has to play against legit bigs, i think he will learn his way to score against them effectively. not playing organised basketball for the last two years has hurt him a little bit but he is a quick learner and a hard worker. he will use his perimeter game a little bit more because he is a solid shooter if he has to play against legit bigs as well he might be to quick for some centers. favors and kanter will compliment each other very well, imo.

 

[jazzrule]

Good Post

i agree with everything you said. but it's not like there are many 7'+ bigs in the nba. big men seem to get smaller in this league and are gaining more athleticizm. i do think that favors will be our future center and kanter will be our future power forward. both will start in two or three years. favors will be more athletic than most centers and kanter will be stronger than most power forwards. and if kanter has to play against legit bigs, i think he will learn his way to score against them effectively. not playing organised basketball for the last two years has hurt him a little bit but he is a quick learner and a hard worker. he will use his perimeter game a little bit more because he is a solid shooter if he has to play against legit bigs as well he might be to quick for some centers. favors and kanter will compliment each other very well, imo.

I have been saying even before the draft that Kanter should play power forward and Favors should play center.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If Kanter brings a face-up game then I don't worry about him being guarded by Cs. But if he's going to be a PF/C, he has GOT to bring all the tools for both positions.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

If Kanter brings a face-up game then I don't worry about him being guarded by Cs. But if he's going to be a PF/C, he has GOT to bring all the tools for both positions.

According to him he has been working on his "face up game and shoot". Let's hope it develops well.

I'm still concerned with his ability to score inside, solid defense bigs will stuff his **** all day.

 

[BYE]

i agree with everything you said. but it's not like there are many 7'+ bigs in the nba. big men seem to get smaller in this league and are gaining more athleticizm. i do think that favors will be our future center and kanter will be our future power forward. both will start in two or three years. favors will be more athletic than most centers and kanter will be stronger than most power forwards. and if kanter has to play against legit bigs, i think he will learn his way to score against them effectively. not playing organised basketball for the last two years has hurt him a little bit but he is a quick learner and a hard worker. he will use his perimeter game a little bit more because he is a solid shooter if he has to play against legit bigs as well he might be to quick for some centers. favors and kanter will compliment each other very well, imo.

I'm not that concerned with this at all. People have compared Kanter to Malone, and although this is absolutely premature and an incredible reach, I do think that Kanter shares similar attributes with Karl. Karl was quick, powerful, had quick hands, had a good jumper, got to the line a lot, could go inside and outside, liked contact. Karl became an excellent passer and a good free-throw shooter. He also had killer instinct and excellent focus. He also had limited lift; he rarely did alley-oops, was not a shot blocker, rarely dunked with two hands in comparison to his monster one-handed jam. I can't tell you how much I cursed Karl for laying the ball in when he was the only one around the basket. Even the glorious one-handed pass to Karl from John was finished with a fricking lay-up. If Kanter can develop his face-up game, he will be a very solid player. He showed that he can score in every way necessary for a big man except for the face-up game. He should do this to utilize his speed. We're all a bit hasty of course considering Kanter's situation and age. I was most worried about his lateral quickness, but watching him, I often forget that this guy is 260, 6'11". He just needs to use his skills and gain experience to use the advantages he has against the opponent he has. Even Jordan, who rarely had a deficiency, would use is savvy as a player later in his career. We often fall in love with the perfect athlete but forget this is a game. If the lead-footed specimen who is Kaman can be successful, so can Enes, if he continues to develop his skills.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Honestly forgot all about Burks this past month, probably my favorite of the 4 young guns.

 

[NUMBERICA]

According to him he has been working on his "face up game and shoot". Let's hope it develops well.

I'm still concerned with his ability to score inside, solid defense bigs will stuff his **** all day.

I don't know. We'll see. If you can overpower your opponent and use your body to create space, you can get a lot done.

I don't think the way Kanter's been playing with Turkey will translate to massive production, but I also don't think he's limited to ogre-ball. It is of paramount importance to remember how young AND how inexperienced he is. To show the production, feel for the game, and significant improvement that he has in Eurobasket after essentially taking 2 years off from real basketball is very impressive.

But to reiterate, to be a primary scorer in the league, he has to have diversity to his game. I think he will find it, and if he can EITHER play face-up from the high-post or even just be a spot-up 3-point shooter, he's going to cause A LOT of problems for the other team's defense (from the high-post, he will burn other Cs, and even if he's just spotting up that far from the basket, if he draws out the opposing team's best defensive big, that opens up everything for the offense [and contrary to how the Jazz used Memo where the opposing team would just put a 4 or sometimes a 3 on him, if you do that to Kanter, then he has a matchup he should be able to comfortably take down low and exploit]).

 

[underKANTER]

i'm really not concerned about his scoring against legit nba bigs at all. first of all, i have to repeat it again, enes is 6-11 1/4 in shoes, has a 7-1 1/2 wingspan and a 9-1 1/2 standing reach. so, he is not undersized for a center. he has legit center size. to go on with, he just turned 19 years old and there is still some room to grow. i expect him to become a legit 7 footer in shoes with a 7-2 wingspan and a 9-2 standing reach. his athleticizim is average or slightly above average but his quickness is above average and the way he runs the floor is above average as well. in the last interview he said he was going towards 270 lbs. expect him to become a 7-0 and 275 player in three or four years. men grow until they are 23, so enes has a chance to grow a little bit, too. but he doesn't have to, he already has solid size even if it isn't freakish.

enes will overpower most power forwards in the nba due to his strength and power and he will be to quick for many centers in the nba. against centers who are bigger than him, he will use his perimeter game more. he is a solid shooter and has a solid face up game which he has improved incredibly over the last two years, especially during his time at high school. right now in europe, he is dominant against most bigs who are smaller or at his size, so he does not use his face up game and midrange game that much because he doesn't have to. but against bigger guys, he will use his quickness and face up game much more. he already has a complete offensive game and he still has much room to improve. i have to say that i was suprised with how agile and how quick he is for a guy his size. i even was impressed by his solid defense. right now, he scores through offensive rebound put backs and back to the basket game. no need for his face up game and midrange jumpshots at all. but he will have to use it more often in the nba, that is obvious. he also will go the the free throw line very often. i do believe that he is more of a power forward than a center, but he really has the skillset to play both positions and also the size. he will create mismatches for both positions, you will see. he can be an impact player as a rookie, but he needs his two or three years to develop and there are only a hand full legit 7'+ bigs in the nba he will face.

 

[underKANTER]

Honestly forgot all about Burks this past month, probably my favorite of the 4 young guns.

i'm really wondering why no one is talking about this young fella...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

i'm really wondering why no one is talking about this young fella...

We were when he was playing in the Indy Pro-am and he was the flavor of the month. He isn't really doing anything that can be followed/observed now though.

 

[Jazz4ever]

In all honesty I'm worried about Kanter's ability to score in the NBA. I think he'll do great with opponents of equal size or smaller than him, but against legit 7'+ bigs he'll get shut down ala Boozer. His lift will be an issue, book it. I like his effort and the way he moves on defense, and I think he'll rebound with the best of them. But I don't see him getting a consistent 15-20 each night with Favors, Jefferson, and Sap ahead of him. I guess we'll see.

I think Burks has the opportunity and the ability to earn some serious burn this season. His position is probably the most wide open, at least after Hayward. His scoring, passing, and rebounding will earn him solid minutes off the bench. His defense will be the only thing that will hurt him. I see him getting at least 15-20 off the bench next season.

I don't think he'll struggle. He can create great spacing with his strength to more than account for the couple of inches he might be giving up. Its just a matter of getting the timing down and watching out for help defenders. The help defenders will be the ones that he will be highly susceptible to. For instance he was able to back down Gasol in the game and dunk on him, but later spun around him in a dunk attempt only to be blocked at the last second by the help defending Felipe Reyes. This is a lot different scenario than Boozer had, where Pau Gasol flat out stuffed or stymied him one on one.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We were when he was playing in the Indy Pro-am and he was the flavor of the month. He isn't really doing anything that can be followed/observed now though.

This is true.

In related news, this gave me a most powerful renob:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wetLlqHg0&feature=player_embedded

 

[NUMBERICA]

Dude is ****ing fast. AND has handles. AND vision.

...

AND a 3?????

 

[underKANTER]

This is true.

In related news, this gave me a most powerful renob:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wetLlqHg0&feature=player_embedded

thanks for posting this video. i really like burks' game. he can create his own shot, has solid athleticizm and a freakish wingspan which will help him on the defensive end. he gets to the free throw line at a high rate and is a great slasher. his ballhandling and point guard skills are not bad as well. if he can improve his outside shoot and become more consistent, he will be a helluva player. he has great tools to deal with and to improve and solid potential. i like him next to hayward.

 

[underKANTER]

burks plays like a young d-wade a little bit