2020 Jazzfanz All 80’s and 90’s Era Draft Round 1 Match: Team 1 vs Team 5

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’ve watched hundreds of Iverson games as a huge AI fan. People only assume he didn’t pass because of reputation alone.

He dribbled the **** out of the ball too! We can’t pretend he was some pass first point guard... big men need someone to feed them... please tell me which big man benefitted from AI creating for them. He needed low usage guys around him if he was going to be effective... every shot he takes is a shot Shaq or mailman probably could have taken... also a defensive liability in this matchup.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

He dribbled the **** out of the ball too! We can’t pretend he was some pass first point guard... big men need someone to feed them... please tell me which big man benefitted from AI creating for them. He needed low usage guys around him if he was going to be effective... every shot he takes is a shot Shaq or mailman probably could have taken... also a defensive liability in this matchup.

Lots of pg’s dominate the ball. I don’t think he’s ever played with talented studs for bigs.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

@Jason can you pin up the two draft contest threads, and keep a lookout for te other two I will be posting tomorrow around 11am MST tomorrow. Thanks

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lots of pg’s dominate the ball. I don’t think he’s ever played with talented studs for bigs.

We aren’t talking about just being ball dominant here... we are talking about thee most ball dominant player in the league... his usage rate was 34.... like the one of the highest in the history of the league and his TS% was below 50%... which is below league average. He averaged 4-5 assists his first all star year in 99-00. He’s a volume scorer paired with another volume scorer in Kobe... all that takes good out of the mouths of Shaq and mailman.

It is more likely that those defenses carried AI than AI carried them. He had to be surrounded by low usage defensive minded guys to work.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you have Shaq and Mailman one of the worst guards you pair them with would be AI.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Even with more modern players, people are unable to draft teams with shooting. Like, lolwtfbbq???

I was shocked at how low the 3P attempt rate was for some of the really good shooters during this era. It was a tough exercise to do because I didn't want to ignore great players from the 80s even though we don't know how they'd fit in a more advanced era.

I think NBA coaches needed just one assistant that was a math major. Could have had a huge opportunity in the 80s and 90s.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

He averaged 4-5 assists his first all star year in 99-00.

He played sg that year. That’s actually not bad and above average

It is more likely that those defenses carried AI than AI carried them. He had to be surrounded by low usage defensive minded guys to work.

LMAO. Yes it’s a great marriage but that team is a lotto team without or barely scraping into the 7-8 seed. Don’t be ridiculous.

If you have Shaq and Mailman one of the worst guards you pair them with would be AI.

They would feast. Shaq getting wide open glass shattering dunks and Malone getting wide open 15 ft shots, yikes!! Yes, he held onto the ball a lot but he was Unguardable and used his skill set to create wide open shots for his teammates how the hell do you think that talentless team around him on offense made the finals. IMO he developed his style due to a lack of offensive talent around him. Both he and Shaq and Malone. I think people over exaggerate certain talent combinations. Those three are a dangerous combination imo. Maybe the most potent in this draft.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I was shocked at how low the 3P attempt rate was for some of the really good shooters during this era. It was a tough exercise to do because I didn't want to ignore great players from the 80s even though we don't know how they'd fit in a more advanced era.

I think NBA coaches needed just one assistant that was a math major. Could have had a huge opportunity in the 80s and 90s.

I also probably misunderstand this draft because I would think the point of doing something more modern would naturally include modern players. Like, that would be... kind of the whole point. But I dodged responsibility in running this one so I should shut up.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He played sg that year. That’s actually not bad and above average

LMAO. Yes it’s a great marriage but that team is a lotto team without or barely scraping into the 7-8 seed. Don’t be ridiculous.

They would feast. Shaq getting wide open glass shattering dunks and Malone getting wide open 15 ft shots, yikes!! Yes, he held onto the ball a lot but he was Unguardable and used his skill set to create wide open shots for his teammates how the hell do you think that talentless team around him on offense made the finals. IMO he developed his style due to a lack of offensive talent around him. Both he and Shaq and Malone. I think people over exaggerate certain talent combinations. Those three are a dangerous combination imo. Maybe the most potent in this draft.

#1 AI didn't lead his team to the finals until 2000-2001... so let's not violate the spirit of this exercise.

Eric Snow was not the pg of that team... put whatever letter you want next to his name... AI was controlling the ball shooting 25 times per game and guarding opposing pgs.

The 99-00 Sixers were a top 5 defense and a bottom 5 offense. They had great defenders at every position except for AI... who carried who? It worked because those guys needed a chucker... Shaq and Mailman need the opposite of that.

Why do the Jazz win games the last few years? Defense or because DM carries the team?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

AI is the classic floor raiser guy... not a ceiling raiser because if he doesn't have the ball he does nothing elite. If he does have the ball he can get you a lot of league average possessions. It's helpful if you don't have other places to use those possessions.

It's fairly basic stuff tbh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Its like looking at Joel Embiid and saying... you know what would unlock him? Russell Westbrook!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I also probably misunderstand this draft because I would think the point of doing something more modern would naturally include modern players. Like, that would be... kind of the whole point. But I dodged responsibility in running this one so I should shut up.

I was going to include more moder, but since we could only recruit 8 drafters it made no sense having that big a player pool. There would’ve been no challenge in the draft process. No flaws or anything.