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Lockout!!!

I know one of the VP's in the Jazz and he said they expect games to be played before Christmas. The way the players burn through money, they wouldn't be able to live. He said a lot of players actually come and ask for advances on their paychecks.

I know they usually put Rookies through some sort of orientation, but the NBA really needs to get involved in helping players better prepare themselves for when they are no longer making money in basketball. When I was 19 years old I wasn't very good at budgeting or managing my money, I can't even imagine being a millionaire at that age.

I read somewhere that something like 60% of NBA players are broke within 2 years after leaving the NBA. Anyone else heard something like this? I think it was in Sports Illustrated.
 
...darn right it doesn't work anymore! But not for the reasons you stated. It doesn't work anymore because they ain't paying these pathetic looking punks who can't run plays, can't make open jump shots, can't make free throws, refuse to listen to the coach, refuse to play defense and have a host of off court problems that range from drug use to populating the earth with illegitimate children, $200.000 per game!
The only thing that makes less sense than your logic is the fact that you can't walk away from something you hate so much.
 
Reading through some of those articles, it makes it even easier to hate guys like Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett. Those guys have had many, many years of making NBA max money under their belts, they have endorsement deals coming our their asses (even after the rape) and I would have to assume that even if they never played another minute of NBA basketball in their lives, their financial future is already more than set. I bet it's pretty easy to sit in that position and tell fellow NBA players that they should agree not to budge from a 53% share. That smacks of so much arrogance.

While missing games in an effort to sweeten the deal may be just fine for those 2, try telling guys like Jeremy Evans it's worth missing an entire season for a few extra percentage points. The majority of the NBA is made up of non-Kobe's and non-Garnetts. I hope the rank and file players tell Kobe and friends to take their demands and shove them up their asses.
 
Let all the players and the owners rot for all I care. I will find better things to do with my time.
 
Never read the NYTimes for sports. Or much else. But definitely not for sports. They promote janitors to sports reporters over there.
Let's be better than politicians and evaluate the substance, not the source.

In this case, the article is informative and not too controversial, for better or for worse.

BTW, the article is written by Howard Beck (who has been covering the NBA for 6+ years for the NYT), not Pete Thamel (who has covered NYT's college sports beat for 9+ years).
https://www.knicksvision.com/2010/09/interview-howard-beck-of-the-new-york-times/


In any case, the NBAPA is foolish to insist on 53% share; that's more than the NFL players' share before the latest lockout, and the NFLPA ended up with 47%--which may help to support why the NBA owners' starting offer of 46% for the players wasn't as preposterous as it might have seemed.
https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0900...disagree-on-interpretation-of-revenue-figures

I didn't readily see the MLB players' current revenue share, but in 2008, it was 51%.
https://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110114&content_id=16441712&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Take 50-50, players; and be grateful. Stop Crymeloing around. The majority of owners can get the remaining whiny holdout owners to agree to an even split.
 
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Reading through some of those articles, it makes it even easier to hate guys like Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett. Those guys have had many, many years of making NBA max money under their belts, they have endorsement deals coming our their asses (even after the rape) and I would have to assume that even if they never played another minute of NBA basketball in their lives, their financial future is already more than set. I bet it's pretty easy to sit in that position and tell fellow NBA players that they should agree not to budge from a 53% share. That smacks of so much arrogance.

While missing games in an effort to sweeten the deal may be just fine for those 2, try telling guys like Jeremy Evans it's worth missing an entire season for a few extra percentage points. The majority of the NBA is made up of non-Kobe's and non-Garnetts. I hope the rank and file players tell Kobe and friends to take their demands and shove them up their asses.
thats what i've been sayng a couple of posts ago
 
Never read the NYTimes for sports. Or much else. But definitely not for sports. They promote janitors to sports reporters over there.

See Ingamestrategy above. I'm also not much in to absolutes. Why else would I be on a Jazz forum if I were only concerned with the absolute best sources? Anyone can give their opinion, and even if the writer is a tortoise from the Galapagos Islands, I don't care--if the article is either A) logical and thorough B) supported by other credible sources as well or C) both. This article was a summation of what everyone else was saying, but he had specific quotes before most everyone else.
 
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Reading through some of those articles, it makes it even easier to hate guys like Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett. Those guys have had many, many years of making NBA max money under their belts, they have endorsement deals coming our their asses (even after the rape) and I would have to assume that even if they never played another minute of NBA basketball in their lives, their financial future is already more than set. I bet it's pretty easy to sit in that position and tell fellow NBA players that they should agree not to budge from a 53% share. That smacks of so much arrogance.

While missing games in an effort to sweeten the deal may be just fine for those 2, try telling guys like Jeremy Evans it's worth missing an entire season for a few extra percentage points. The majority of the NBA is made up of non-Kobe's and non-Garnetts. I hope the rank and file players tell Kobe and friends to take their demands and shove them up their asses.
I agree that it appears that the big-salary players (and their agents) are driving the discussion on the player side, when the low-salary players, the near-retirees, and young players who recently started their NBA careers (or haven't even played a game) would be more inclined to go for the 50-50 split and start playing ball.

Some finger-pointing could be at the high-powered agents, who might be pushing an agenda that isn't in the best interest of the players--especially those players not represented by those agency elites. Even Derek Fisher was bold enough to issue cautionary warnings to many of the players after the agent coalition's inciting memo was released.
https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7055538/nba-agents-group-warns-clients-joint-memo

Here's an estimate of the agents' math in this. Suppose they get 5% of the player's salary (which is on the high side of a typical range of 3% to 5%). Then the agent gets $500,000 of a 10-million-dollar player salary per year. The lower the cap goes, the lower the player's likely salary will be, but the difference between a 52% share and a 50% share isn't much--equivalent to a (2%/52% =) about 4% further drop in salary, or about $20,000 drop per year for the agent on a $10 million deal. Since the agent makes an average of ($500,000/82 =) $4,000 per game (rounded to keep the math easy) on each player, then the agent is worse off this year after only about 5 games cancelled. Over the course of a 10-year contract, the agents would be definitely worse off if 50 games (or the entire season) is cancelled.

If the players drag their feet, I believe that the owners are more likely to force a player share below 50% (like the NFL has) than to budge over 50%, even if it costs 'em. A deal can get done at 50-50, and it's really damaging if the players don't come together to agree. I wonder if the little guy (the minimum-salary journeyman, etc.) is being heard here, or if the sound is being drowned out by Dwyane Wade and other high-profile punks.

Some people will kill for money but rarely die for it.
https://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2011/09/cba-talk-kill-for-money-die-for-faith/
 
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