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Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

Handlogten's Heros said:
I don’t think moving the team makes him all that much. I think there is a relocation fee... so I think it’d be get financing, cut costs, sell the team. Whoever buys it from him would be the ones likely to
move it.
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The devil is in the details. If he just wants to turn a profit, then yeah, moving might now make a lot of sense. The Clippers and Knicks turned a profit for a long, long time. He can stay in Utah, never go near the tax line and turn a profit. The Millers made a lot of money having the team good enough to advance one round in the playoffs but never paying the tax.

If he wants to win a title in today's NBA, he has to pay the tax. So, how do you do that? You have to cash flow somewhere else (or the Jazz have to cash flow and he has to save it, but business guys don't do that. If they profit 100 million year one and profit 50 million year two, they will go on and on about how they "lost" 50 million year two, when in reality they still took a profit of 50 million). So, he has to have somewhere else to move the cash from to the Jazz. And he doesn't have that.

The easiest way to solve that problem is to move. Sure, the fee to move is big, but if he still cash flows at the end of the year, then it doesn't matter. For example, if he hits the tax and loses 10 million in Utah but if he was in Seattle he could hit the tax, pay the fee AND cash flow a positive 10 million...then it's a no brainer.

I do agree that if he sold the team, the Jazz would be as good as gone.

Here is a date to keep in mind: The end of the 2022-2023 season. That will be the time when Mitchell gets all his power. He can force a trade and the Jaza would have no recourse to stop him from moving. It is also right before the tv deal expires in 2025, so if the NBA was to expand, they would start the paperwork in the this offseason. If the Jazz are going to lose Mitchell due to off the court stuff, and if Seattle is trying to get an expansion team...you could see movement then. That will be when Jazz fans need to really worry about everything falling apart for them.

The point is, it's a tricky, tough situation Smith is in. And he has some MAJOR hurdles to overcome as a new owner. I don't envy him at all.
 
That1UtahFan said:
I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibilities that the Jazz would want to wait a year and see what they might have in Azubuike. He's 7 years younger and on a rookie deal. I could see a scenario happen where he comes in and shows real potential and the Jazz move Gobert based on that potential. That's a lot of $ that could be spent upgrading the rest of the roster but also a huge risk. Obviously you might piss Gobert off by not just getting an extension done this year & Azubuike ends up being awful then Gobert walking at the end of his deal but that would be worst case scenario. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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green said:
The devil is in the details. If he just wants to turn a profit, then yeah, moving might now make a lot of sense. The Clippers and Knicks turned a profit for a long, long time. He can stay in Utah, never go near the tax line and turn a profit. The Millers made a lot of money having the team good enough to advance one round in the playoffs but never paying the tax.

If he wants to win a title in today's NBA, he has to pay the tax. So, how do you do that? You have to cash flow somewhere else (or the Jazz have to cash flow and he has to save it, but business guys don't do that. If they profit 100 million year one and profit 50 million year two, they will go on and on about how they "lost" 50 million year two, when in reality they still took a profit of 50 million). So, he has to have somewhere else to move the cash from to the Jazz. And he doesn't have that.

The easiest way to solve that problem is to move. Sure, the fee to move is big, but if he still cash flows at the end of the year, then it doesn't matter. For example, if he hits the tax and loses 10 million in Utah but if he was in Seattle he could hit the tax, pay the fee AND cash flow a positive 10 million...then it's a no brainer.

I do agree that if he sold the team, the Jazz would be as good as gone.

Here is a date to keep in mind: The end of the 2022-2023 season. That will be the time when Mitchell gets all his power. He can force a trade and the Jaza would have no recourse to stop him from moving. It is also right before the tv deal expires in 2025, so if the NBA was to expand, they would start the paperwork in the this offseason. If the Jazz are going to lose Mitchell due to off the court stuff, and if Seattle is trying to get an expansion team...you could see movement then. That will be when Jazz fans need to really worry about everything falling apart for them.

The point is, it's a tricky, tough situation Smith is in. And he has some MAJOR hurdles to overcome as a new owner. I don't envy him at all.
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I agree with some/most of this. I just think if you have to prioritize money over winning you’d likely do that over moving or selling. Pray the second coming of Tim Duncan lands in SLC.
 
That1UtahFan said:
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So PER said this guy was good... shocking that a big who rebounds and dunks is rated highly by analytics.

If they had him top 10 then great but... let’s fire all those assholes if they are wrong because that’s a pretty boo’d declaration.

At least he is talking about his board and not hand pads or balance tests.
 
infection said:
Similar tweet....



One thing I'd like to remind the masses is that they said very similar things about TB and how, had he stayed one more year, would have been a top 10 pick the next year.
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Someone asks follow up and say if he’s so talented then why pay 30M to Favs for three years to be a backup? Why not just keep Ed Or TB as a fallback in case he isn’t ready year one and address other needs with free agent dollars.
 
If a deal doesn’t get done today... I think this might be Rudy’s last year as a Jazz player and think there is like a 30% chance they move him. It would make the offseason moves make more sense but still not make any sense at all.
 
green said:
That was my thought...

"we've heard this before..."
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Udoka at least has the ability to defend the paint at a high level and has size that differentiates him. I never understood what they thought they saw in TB. Many speculated he could shoot but after watching him warm up in summer league for five minutes I was like “nope that ain’t it”.

So we might not be messing up differently but we might be messing up on better talent? Improvement?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Udoka at least has the ability to defend the paint at a high level and has size that differentiates him. I never understood what they thought they saw in TB. Many speculated he could shoot but after watching him warm up in summer league for five minutes I was like “nope that ain’t it”.

So we might not be messing up differently but we might be messing up on better talent? Improvement?
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As long as there is improvement...ha ha.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Udoka at least has the ability to defend the paint at a high level and has size that differentiates him. I never understood what they thought they saw in TB. Many speculated he could shoot but after watching him warm up in summer league for five minutes I was like “nope that ain’t it”.

So we might not be messing up differently but we might be messing up on better talent? Improvement?
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He was our best three point shooter last year.
 
What is Udoka's age versus Bradley
Udoka might be older than Bradley even though Bradley has been in league three years
 
Udoka > Bradley. I’m totally fine not criticizing the pick. It’s everything else around it that’s stupid. If he’s your guy, great. Go out and get Udoh on the minimum.
 
infection said:
Udoka > Bradley. I’m totally fine not criticizing the pick. It’s everything else around it that’s stupid. If he’s your guy, great. Go out and get Udoh on the minimum.
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Yup... also I felt strongly that Xavier Tillman is a better big prospect and does things we sorely need. So I didn’t love the pick on two fronts but I understand what they were after in a vacuum.
 
green said:
Yeah. One important thing to remember with new ownership...where does his money come from? IF the Jazz go into the tax and lose 50 million, how does he pay that? Out of his own pocket? Yikes. I don't care who you are, losing 50 million is a big deal.

IF he wants to stay in Utah, he has to find a way to get cash flow from somewhere, preferably not the Jazz. IF he can't find a way to get cash flow to cover the Jazz in lean years you have one of three options: 1 - Move the team. 2 - Sell the team. 3 - Never go into the tax.

Tough future for the Jazz.
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No the jazz as an organization is likely sitting on substantial assets, including cash. It will cut into cash flow and margin, but it isn't like they have no money and if they have to pay the tax they will have to panhandle to get the cash.
 
infection said:
Similar tweet....



One thing I'd like to remind the masses is that they said very similar things about TB and how, had he stayed one more year, would have been a top 10 pick the next year.
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I hope it's not the same analytics model that told them Tony Bradley is a top 10 prospect. It's very possible that model overvalues something insignificant like individual rebounding for example.
 
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