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MT Steve said:
... are you projecting here?

You literally said "No one knows the truth so I side with the person with no power, the woman.".

You're literally doing what you've just now accused me of doing. You seem to have a habit of this - you also accused other people of making up their minds already on the Kobe accusations despite the fact that you'd done the exact same.

Think about it.
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So you are the same person with the same attitudes and beliefs you were 10 years ago? Kinda sad, incapable of personal growth. Think about it.

Wow nearly 20 years ago now. Crazy. 2003.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So you are the same person with the same attitudes and beliefs you were 10 years ago? Kinda sad, incapable of personal growth. Think about it.

Wow nearly 20 years ago now. Crazy. 2003.
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I have no idea what you're rambling on about at this point.
 
oneye said:
Raja Bell on The Ringer podcast: "Donovan's coming out and making it public. That doesn't have to be anything anyone has to know, even if you are frustrated like Donovan. If you really care about that organization and your relationship is really healthy.......It doesn't come out, even if you are upset and it got ****ed up"
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Just speculation.
 
The decision should be his. His body, his career, yes he should listen and take consideration from the advice of the medical staff, He also has every right to choose who he wants for his medical staff. If the team or the league doesn't like it tough shirt.
I think the franchise should have some Say, but at the end of the day it should be his call.
 
Michaelr said:
The decision should be his. His body, his career, yes he should listen and take consideration from the advice of the medical staff, He also has every right to choose who he wants for his medical staff. If the team or the league doesn't like it tough shirt.
I think the franchise should have some Say, but at the end of the day it should be his call.
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What I don't understand and what the medical staff should've explained, and what they need to explain now, is why did they clear him and then change their mind at the last minute. Can they give a professional explanation and I don't mean opinion, but a detailed explanation as professionals why they changed their mind.
 
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Michaelr said:
The decision should be his. His body, his career, yes he should listen and take consideration from the advice of the medical staff, He also has every right to choose who he wants for his medical staff. If the team or the league doesn't like it tough shirt.
I think the franchise should have some Say, but at the end of the day it should be his call.
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The Utah Jazz medical staff won an NBA award for being the best not long ago. The Utah Jazz medical staff have kept the Jazz as one of the healthiest teams in the league this crazy/condensed season. The Jazz have had some of the least amount of injuries this season. Donovan has missed very few games throughout his career, and yet he decides 2 weeks ago to bring in his own staff and question the Jazz staff at every turn. It's Mr. Diva.....not the medical staff sorry. Communication could have and should have been better. The Utah Jazz medical staff's work speaks for itself.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
What I don't understand and what the medical staff should've explained, and what they need to explain now, is why did they clear him and then change their mind at the last minute. Can they give a professional explanation and I don't mean opinion, but a detailed explanation as professionals why they changed their mind.
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It has been reported. They didn't like what they saw in shootaround that morning. He had been taken off the reports days earlier. Things can and did change.
 
For perspective everyone. This is the medical staff he has stopped listening to and doesn't trust:

www.deseret.com

Jazz have avoided major injury or health issues this season. Can they keep it that way through the playoffs?

Unlike many contending teams who have dealt with injury issues this season, the Jazz have remained relatively healthy during this truncated season.
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"The Utah Jazz meanwhile, have been one of very few teams in the league that has been able to push through this season relatively unscathed. To this point they’ve not had any major injuries or health issues with their core rotation"

Now Donovan's days obviously added up, but that injury was from a leg that swiped under him, not on the medical staff. The medical staff he doesn't trust and stopped listening to two weeks ago, has literally been one of the best medical staffs in the NBA with the fewest games missed to injuries.

Another quote:

"The Jazz largely credit their health, performance and training staff, headed by vice president of performance health care Mike Elliott, for keeping things running smoothly this season, but Murray’s injury for the Nuggets was the latest reminder that extra care and caution need to be taken, especially as the Jazz face the final month of the regular season and turn their eye to the playoffs."
 
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oneye said:
For perspective everyone. This is the medical staff he has stopped listening to and doesn't trust:

www.deseret.com

Jazz have avoided major injury or health issues this season. Can they keep it that way through the playoffs?

Unlike many contending teams who have dealt with injury issues this season, the Jazz have remained relatively healthy during this truncated season.
www.deseret.com www.deseret.com

"The Utah Jazz meanwhile, have been one of very few teams in the league that has been able to push through this season relatively unscathed. To this point they’ve not had any major injuries or health issues with their core rotation"

Now Donovan's days obviously added up, but that injury was from a leg that swiped under him, not on the medical staff. The medical staff he doesn't trust and stopped listening to two weeks ago, has literally been one of the best medical staffs in the NBA with the fewest games missed to injuries.
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I hate to be that person, and I’m not arguing that the Jazz medical staff is or isn’t bad (I don’t think there’s really enough available public evidence to make that call) but using the team’s health over a season isn’t an absolute measure. The medical staff is only one small variable in that gigantic equation. It’s also one of the reasons why trying to tie physician compensation to outcomes is silly, for a myriad of reasons. The bottom line is that the medical staff only makes up a small variable here, but with lots of uncertainties and variables, it’s easier to believe that things are more neat and concrete than they are in reality, so we assume things like the training and medical staff being the largest determinants of health.
 
There's two things that give the medical staff a bad look here, from my perspective:

1: The initial reports were that Mitchell's injury was 'minor' and that he'd be week-to-week. 6 weeks later and he's missing playoff games. Mitchell, when making the comment about how he started progressing well 2 weeks ago (when he started working with his personal staff), also said the injury wasn't as minor as it was made out to be. That's a big yikes.

2: I've beaten this one to death already, but just the fact that they removed him from the injury report entirely the day before and led the entire team to believe he was playing, only to change their mind the next day, despite no setback. Either they somehow missed the possibility that he'd not be able to go, or they didn't but failed to communicate it to the team. Both are pretty bad.
 
infection said:
I hate to be that person, and I’m not arguing that the Jazz medical staff is or isn’t bad (I don’t think there’s really enough available public evidence to make that call) but using the team’s health over a season isn’t an absolute measure. The medical staff is only one small variable in that gigantic equation. It’s also one of the reasons why trying to tie physician compensation to outcomes is silly, for a myriad of reasons. The bottom line is that the medical staff only makes up a small variable here, but with lots of uncertainties and variables, it’s easier to believe that things are more neat and concrete than they are in reality, so we assume things like the training and medical staff being the largest determinants of health.
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Comparatively as far as injuries are concerned, the Jazz have been at the top of the league. No it's not a perfect evaluation, but having the fewest injuries does mean you've prepared your players well and have them ready to play. The Jazz do not have many wear and tear injuries that would be caused by crappy preparation. We can look at a lot of different things. Donovan made the whole "it started getting better about 2 weeks ago" when he switched medical staffs shot....Yes Donovan......generally the longer you give an injury time to heal the better it begins to feel.
 
MT Steve said:
There's two things that give the medical staff a bad look here, from my perspective:

1: The initial reports were that Mitchell's injury was 'minor' and that he'd be week-to-week. 6 weeks later and he's missing playoff games. Mitchell, when making the comment about how he started progressing well 2 weeks ago (when he started working with his personal staff), also said the injury wasn't as minor as it was made out to be. That's a big yikes.

2: I've beaten this one to death already, but just the fact that they removed him from the injury report entirely the day before and led the entire team to believe he was playing, only to change their mind the next day, despite no setback. Either they somehow missed the possibility that he'd not be able to go, or they didn't but failed to communicate it to the team. Both are pretty bad.
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Donovan has no track record of getting overly-emotional though right?
 
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