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Ineptimusprime said:
I can’t argue with that. I’m just playin’ DL’s advocate and trying to get inside the head of a FO that seems pretty set on running it back next year if TJ is to be believed.

If I were in control, I would hold onto Don and Rudy for one more year, but otherwise begin re-tooling and tinkering. I’d be fishing for S&Ts for Conley, and would try to find a way to turn Bogey into a Top 15 pick or a smaller contract from a younger, longer, more athletic dude.

As an aside, I would even add that our #1 seed finish was a bit flukey to begin with, because we benefitted from other teams being injured, never really played top teams at full strength, and avoided real injury problems of our own until we hit the softest part of our schedule to end the season and barely coasted to the finish line by a single game. I don’t at all think the current roster is worth going deep into the tax for, which is why the current messaging is confusing to me.

But what can I say, I believe the FO must be telling itself we need to give it another chance because of injuries during the playoffs. You could make a case we were the worst bit by the bug, because we had two all-stars impacted by the injury bug. I think it’s all BS, but that has to be their thinking, and it has to be really hard for them to step back and admit its a failed build as long as any valid excuses are still out there.

But I’ll say, the worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves. I think the current approach most likely leads to Don demanding a trade in the next year or two, but the FO is in too deep with the roster they built to see it that way. It all just means a longer more painful blowup when the blowup occurs.
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Honestly we don't have time for this,
 
campaignist said:
I’m really skeptical this roster can even make it to the conference finals with just a few moves. Keeping Conley, adding a reliable backup PG, adding someone like Batum, signing another wing defender *and* a small ball five? With almost no resources available? That seems like a tall order and needs a lot of luck. If they’re willing to swing for the fences with a big trade, maybe you can accomplish the bulk of that.

But let’s say they keep Conley, add a reliable backup, and get a decent small ball five. You really going to tell me that team can take down the Lakers, Clippers, Nets, and/or Milwaukee? Assuming both teams are at full strength.

I don’t buy it. And if Conley leaves without a sign and trade (I really don’t think a sign and trade would happen) then that’s game over. If you keep him and his injury gets worse or they fall short again, you’re stuck with him for another year or two.
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I doubt that prior to the season many of us would have guessed that Phoenix and Milwaukee would be the finalists. And who predicted Toronto winning 2 years ago? Yes , you are correct in the sense that the odds are against it, I share your skepticism too, but I’d still be interested in at least trying to find a way to give us a puncher’s chance to win it all. Clear out Favors and see what moves/ drafts you can do.
 
David Hume said:
I doubt that prior to the season many of us would have guessed that Phoenix and Milwaukee would be the finalists. And who predicted Toronto winning 2 years ago? Yes , you are correct in the sense that the odds are against it, I share your skepticism too, but I’d still be interested in at least trying to find a way to give us a puncher’s chance to win it all. Clear out Favors and see what moves/ drafts you can do.
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Good post, but I don't agree with the "clear out Favors". If we run it back, we should just run it back with everybody. It would be a shame if we lost Rudy to injury for a bit and we just dumped our best Rudy insurance. I guess we could get a "small ball 5" in free agency, but are we expected to use Doke at that minimal contract small ball center to carry us long?

If Mike leaves, then I think we could start considering clear outs and cost cutting moves to approach the luxury line. But if we're running it back, keep everybody.
 
I would prefer to start retooling now a little by moving at least one of our starters to try to better balance the starting lineup between offense and defense.

But it’s palatable to me to try the “run back” with marginal moves IF Conley comes back and IF the idea is to get to the trade deadline next season and evaluate where we are. If we aren’t a top 4 seed at that time, we’ll know it’s fools gold and should start shipping people out. I think that’s a justifiable compromise.

IF Conley leaves in two weeks, there’s no reason a hard pivot/retool should not occur now.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
I would prefer to start retooling now a little by moving at least one of our starters to try to better balance the starting lineup between offense and defense.

But it’s palatable to me to try the “run back” with marginal moves IF Conley comes back and IF the idea is to get to the trade deadline next season and evaluate where we are. If we aren’t a top 4 seed at that time, we’ll know it’s fools gold and should start shipping people out. I think that’s a justifiable compromise.

IF Conley leaves in two weeks, there’s no reason a hard pivot/retool should not occur now.
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I agree 100%.

I could be okay with a Bojan trade if we bring everybody back. He just makes the most sense. Clarkson is on a fair contract, has a defined role and plays that role really well. Bojan is becoming more and more of a one trick pony. I would argue we need defense, rebounding and athleticism over his shooting.
 
So say our offseason is to draft at 30, press reset on the bench with new purchased second rounders/UFAs/foreign league dudes/vet mins, let Niang walk, and sign mini-MLE vet.

We can do tax saving moves at or before
the trade deadline next year to get under the tax and start re-tooling then, correct?

If that is the case, I would guess the plan is to do at least a half-season “run back” to get to the deadline, see where we are, and see if there’s any chance we have a contender worth paying the tax for. See if 30 hits, see if any of the UFAs we find are Lu Dort, and maybe we miraculously are a real contender next year.

We can give the marginal moves concept a half-season test run, and if it isn’t working, pivot then. I can almost be convinced a run-back is the best approach if this is the idea.

If Conley leaves though, you gotta start now. Running it back without Conley makes no sense.
 
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Ineptimusprime said:
So say our offseason is to draft at 30, press reset on the bench with new purchased second rounders/UFAs/foreign league dudes/vet mins, let Niang walk, and sign mini-MLE vet.

We can do tax saving moves at or before
the trade deadline next year to get under the tax and start re-tooling then, correct?

If that is the case, I would guess the plan is to do at least a half-season “run back” to get to the deadline, see where we are, and see if there’s any chance we have a contender worth paying the tax for. See if 30 hits, see if any of the UFAs we find are Lu Dort, and maybe we miraculously are a real contender next year.

We can give the marginal moves concept a half-season test run, and if it isn’t working, pivot then. I can almost be convinced a run-back is the best approach if this is the idea.

If Conley leaves though, you gotta start now. Running it back without Conley makes no sense.
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We can wait but the issue is it gets harder to clear salary. Have to find teams with exceptions or space… and the space is likely almost all gone at that point. The fewer teams you are dealing with the more they can extort you for assets.

I would trade Favs for as much flexibility as you can get in the offseason. Use taxpayer MLE if something really good comes along. The rest of the moves like JC and Bogey you can wait on a bit… unless something good turns up. The risk is maybe you can get 110% of their value in the offseason but a disappointing start either means injuries or guys playing poorly so the value likely declines.

If I get Conley back I’m more inclined to do something with JC… if you get a Rudy Gay or Batum in FA I’m more inclined to do something around Bojan. Offers may get better after teams miss out on their primary targets in FA. We need to be nimble/flexible… something I didn’t think we could do under DL.

It also depends on what turns up on draft night. If we landed Thor or Butler with the #30 pick it might change my outlook a bit. If the prospects are Hyland and others left… I’m comfortable trading back with #30 and realizing some financial savings and assets.

Basically what I try to do:

-try like hell to find something around Favs.
-let the draft play out and be opportunistic.
-bring Mike back
-sign a good wing to MLE… if not get a guy like Craig, Harkless, for slightly less.
-look to pivot depending on what happened above.

There is a chance we land Batum and trade for a guy I like in Kenrich Williams and then you can move Bogey for something different. Maybe you land Butler in the draft and think he can handle 20 minutes a night and you move JC for some wing help. Either way I move Favs if I can without raiding the petty cash fund of draft assets. Modified, opportunistic, run it back.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We can wait but the issue is it gets harder to clear salary. Have to find teams with exceptions or space… and the space is likely almost all gone at that point. The fewer teams you are dealing with the more they can extort you for assets.

I would trade Favs for as much flexibility as you can get in the offseason. Use taxpayer MLE if something really good comes along. The rest of the moves like JC and Bogey you can wait on a bit… unless something good turns up. The risk is maybe you can get 110% of their value in the offseason but a disappointing start either means injuries or guys playing poorly so the value likely declines.

If I get Conley back I’m more inclined to do something with JC… if you get a Rudy Gay or Batum in FA I’m more inclined to do something around Bojan. Offers may get better after teams miss out on their primary targets in FA. We need to be nimble/flexible… something I didn’t think we could do under DL.

It also depends on what turns up on draft night. If we landed Thor or Butler with the #30 pick it might change my outlook a bit. If the prospects are Hyland and others left… I’m comfortable trading back with #30 and realizing some financial savings and assets.

Basically what I try to do:

-try like hell to find something around Favs.
-let the draft play out and be opportunistic.
-bring Mike back
-sign a good wing to MLE… if not get a guy like Craig, Harkless, for slightly less.
-look to pivot depending on what happened above.

There is a chance we land Batum and trade for a guy I like in Kenrich Williams and then you can move Bogey for something different. Maybe you land Butler in the draft and think he can handle 20 minutes a night and you move JC for some wing help. Either way I move Favs if I can without raiding the petty cash fund of draft assets. Modified, opportunistic, run it back.
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Good thoughts.

I wish FA were before the draft. Just wish we knew what Conley was thinking/doing.

Two weeks until **** starts getting real.
 
Conley is detrimental to our growth and success he was a terrible waste of money and resources, pretty much fd up our future
 
UtahJazz32 said:
Conley is detrimental to our growth and success he was a terrible waste of money and resources, pretty much fd up our future
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If he just leaves in free agency without us getting anything back in return, I agree with this 100%.

The Conley move would be like spending a bunch of money to rent a luxury SUV to drive from Atlanta to Utah but it breaks down a few times along the way and only gets you as far as Tulsa. Sure the ride was nice a comfortable for a bit and seemed promising, but.....
 
LoPo said:
We've talked a lot about Kuzma, but what do people think about Talen-Horton Tucker?
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I think he’s over rated. Super hyped laker. He’s fine. I heard he was the sticking point in the Lowry to the Lakers trade which is just wild. If he figures out how to be a good shooter he’s got something. The list of guys that didn’t do that is pretty long. I’d rather get guys like Williams, Roby with the thunder without the “laker” tax.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
Good thoughts.

I wish FA were before the draft. Just wish we knew what Conley was thinking/doing.

Two weeks until **** starts getting real.
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It’s wild that they haven’t figured it out yet. It would also cause some trade activity pre-free agency and draft that would get some attention… when the league year turns some trade exceptions become worthless and cap space for the prior year is gone… it makes sense and would boost some minor interest. Would also help facility draft night trades.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he’s over rated. Super hyped laker. He’s fine. I heard he was the sticking point in the Lowry to the Lakers trade which is just wild. If he figures out how to be a good shooter he’s got something. The list of guys that didn’t do that is pretty long. I’d rather get guys like Williams, Roby with the thunder without the “laker” tax.
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I'm intrigued, but I'm not sold on him. Seems like he would want more playing time than we would be willing to offer this year. And he would have to be a S&T and I know you don't like those lol
 
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