Trade deadline discussion

[Handlogten's Heros]

I could also see a three way deal with OKC where they take Joe, we take Richardson, and Boston takes back a minimum dude. Drops them out of the tax this year. Still need to pay OKC something.

 

[infection]

Look they got a super valuable trade exception they can totally use next year... they definitely will use it for sure... lolz.... they will just buy second rounders... lolz we are a title contender.... lolz we can't even use rookies or young guys... lolz we are all in.

The trade exceptions are the ultimate win because everyone in media can talk about how valuable they will be moving forward, but then after a year passes and they expire, you can “lol most trade exceptions expire because it’s hard to find deals for them” and there’s been enough of a temporal gap that nobody will have the wherewithal to call anyone on the inconsistency, or if they do it’s easy to hide behind “lol u dumb these are professionals who kno way better. Lol.”

 

[Jingled]

I posted a few days ago that my only concern with adding Grant or Barnes is that there would be too many mouths to feed in the starting lineup and that guys like Don, Bogey and Conley might to be too happy to have to give up touches and shots.... Tony Jones makes it sound like the Jazz have the same concerns.

What the Jazz have to figure out is what the best deal on the table would be for them — and whether that deal actually helps. Let’s say, hypothetically, a deal for a volume scoring forward is available. Do the Jazz want to bring someone in who will take shots and usage and touches away from Donovan Mitchell, Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic? The answer to that question is no. Fit is going to matter. If the Jazz are going to make a deal, the person they get in return is going to have to fit into the group on both ends.

It makes me wonder if they were ever actually even interested in those guys or if it was just rumors.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

After reading Tony Jones' latest article I'm not at all optimistic that we'll do anything big, and maybe won't even do anything at all. Seems like we're either going to trade for Josh Richardson or just keep House for the rest of the season and call him our big addition. Sounds like they're hesitant to trade a first-round pick and aren't willing to mortgage the future to get help right now...pretty much the opposite of what we've been hearing.

If the Jazz want Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes, they'd need to pony up Ingles, Royce/Clarkson, a young player and at least 1 FRP. Both guys are available. Either move would be an upgrade for this season and going forward. Jazz should be looking for an athletic and dynamic wing to put between Mitchell and Gobert longer term.

Josh Richardson and Josh Hart make a lot of sense for the Jazz, but they don't really change who the Jazz are or raise their ceiling much. Replacing Royce in the starting and closing lineup with someone who's bigger and more dynamic does change who the Jazz are.

Jazz were always going to offer Ingles and a FRP. They just need to be willing to add Royce/Clarkson and one of their young guys. That might net Barnes.

 

[infection]

It would also be funny to see people talking about a TPE while we’re already sitting on a Favors TPE that won’t be used.

 

[Jingled]

If the Jazz want Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes, they'd need to pony up Ingles, Royce/Clarkson, a young player and at least 1 FRP. Both guys are available. Either move would be an upgrade for this season and going forward. Jazz should be looking for an athletic and dynamic wing to put between Mitchell and Gobert longer term.

Josh Richardson and Josh Hart make a lot of sense for the Jazz, but they don't really change who the Jazz are or raise their ceiling much. Replacing Royce in the starting and closing lineup with someone who's bigger and more dynamic does change who the Jazz are.

Jazz were always going to offer Ingles and a FRP. They just need to be willing to add Royce/Clarkson and one of their young guys.

I don't disagree but it doesn't sound like a Grant or Barnes type move is going to happen. The biggest type of acquisition we can look forward to is a Josh Richardson type...and even that might not happen. We likely just dump Joe's contract in a cost cutting move.

 

[infection]

Move that I think would help, or are at least giving us the appropriate bang for our buck:

- Smart
- Marcus Morris
- Kenny G
- Holiday/Craig combo

Other moves I don’t think would move the needle much, if at all, or are very imbalanced on how much bang we’d get for our buck. If we don’t grab any of the above, it’s quite possible we flame out dramatically again and Quin gets fired after the playoffs and we go in search of Ainge’s guy, backlogging is too far in this process and being in the queue for a long enough time that we further squander our DM/RG window.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I don't disagree but it doesn't sound like a Grant or Barnes type move is going to happen. The biggest type of acquisition we can look forward to is a Josh Richardson type...and even that might not happen. We likely just dump Joe's contract in a cost cutting move.

I think they want to do more than this, and that's why Danny Ainge stepped in a month ago. I guess we'll see.

This article could just be part of the posturing that's going on in the media right now. Jazz could be saying, "We're happy with our current team and don't feel like we need to make a move," when in reality, they're peeing their pants at the idea of getting Jerami Grant on this team.

 

[Jingled]

I think they want to do more than this, and that's why Danny Ainge stepped in a month ago. I guess we'll see.

I thought so too but after reading that Tony Jones article I've really lowered my expectations. Tony seems to have far more connections to the team than any other local reporter so I trust what he says.

 

[LoPo]

Any deal sending out Joe for a contract that goes into next season puts us in the luxury for 2022-23. Ever since that stupid chain of events of signing Favors to the full MLE then trading a 1st to dump his contract, I don't see us making a deal for a player that only helps on the fringes.

So Holiday, Craig, Richardson and even Smart will put us in the some serious luxury hot water next year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I thought so too but after reading that Tony Jones article I've really lowered my expectations. Tony seems to have far more connections to the team than any other local reporter so I trust what he says.

I think between him and Locke throwing a little cold water out there I think you know we are likely doing something small or nothing or salary dump.

Here is the big thing it signals to me. There are likely deals we could do if we included a first... Tony and Locke both said that you may not want to do that. If that is the case I think we are looking at some big change the next 2-4 years and they may actually be thinking about what that pick could be. I think Danny can use the rest of this season and playoffs as the evidence he needs for a BIG trade/pivot.

 

[LoPo]

I think between him and Locke throwing a little cold water out there I think you know we are likely doing something small or nothing or salary dump.

Here is the big thing it signals to me. There are likely deals we could do if we included a first... Tony and Locke both said that you may not want to do that. If that is the case I think we are looking at some big change the next 2-4 years and they may actually be thinking about what that pick could be. I think Danny can use the rest of this season and playoffs as the evidence he needs for a BIG trade/pivot.

This summer is going to be disappointing if we go for a big pivot. If we are pivoting, it means that players disappointed in the playoffs. Mike and Bojan practically on expirings. Clarkson not on a great deal. And depending on how disappointing we look in the playoffs, Rudy's value could drop and maybe Don too.

We probably won't be able to pivot too much in the summer.

 

[Jingled]

I think between him and Locke throwing a little cold water out there I think you know we are likely doing something small or nothing or salary dump.

Here is the big thing it signals to me. There are likely deals we could do if we included a first... Tony and Locke both said that you may not want to do that. If that is the case I think we are looking at some big change the next 2-4 years and they may actually be thinking about what that pick could be. I think Danny can use the rest of this season and playoffs as the evidence he needs for a BIG trade/pivot.

It's just kind of weird... everything we've been hearing is that they've been shopping Ingles contract and a first. Now it seems like plans have suddenly changed and they're no longer willing to give up a first. Maybe they no longer believe this team is a contender so they're not willing to mortgage the future to try and improve the roster?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Locke's deal he said is most likely is Joe, and some other piece, plus loosening the restrictions on the pick we already owe, so that we get all the way under the luxury tax.

I don't think Joe and JB gets us all the way under the tax. Maybe if we threw in Udoka... anyway... I'm totally prepared for JB, Joe, amended pick protections in a complete BS trade to save money. I also am ready for the local media to talk about how it was the Joe injury that changed thinking and that we are still all in.

 

[LogGrad98]

We likely would have had to involve another team to find a smaller deal... though they did take back like $8M-10M in salary for next year.

The part that would have been hard is giving them 6-7M in less salary this year. Of course Ryan could just bite the bullet... since we are ALL IN!!!!!

Involving a third team would get kinda tough because they might suck the value out the deal or cut you out entirely.

It does show that a deal was within reach anyway.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's just kind of weird... everything we've been hearing is that they've been shopping Ingles contract and a first. Now it seems like plans have suddenly changed and they're no longer willing to give up a first. Maybe they no longer believe this team is a contender so they're not willing to mortgage the future to try and improve the roster?

It could have been that they saw it wouldn't get them Grant, Smart, or Barnes and the player's below that tier aren't worth the price. Could also be them waiting for the offseason to use the pick or to pivot another direction.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It's just kind of weird... everything we've been hearing is that they've been shopping Ingles contract and a first. Now it seems like plans have suddenly changed and they're no longer willing to give up a first. Maybe they no longer believe this team is a contender so they're not willing to mortgage the future to try and improve the roster?

+ a constant passive-aggressive simmering between the franchise cornerstones.

It’s fine.

But for real, that is smart. I’m about ready to throw some **** around to get Jerami Grant now and position the Jazz to chase Jaylen Brown, but not trading any draft capital and letting this team die in the playoffs to create justification for a real pivot makes sense, unfortunately.

Either way, can we please, PUHLEASE, for the love of god, get Jordan Clowntown off the ****ing team. It’s been such a joy not watching him diarrhea all over the place every night with Quin bathing in it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It would also be funny to see people talking about a TPE while we’re already sitting on a Favors TPE that won’t be used.

Why not save the money when we can get something good by being aggressive in the buyout market??? Have to hold some playing time open and a spot if you want something good... lolz... they have a plan bruh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It would also be funny to see people talking about a TPE while we’re already sitting on a Favors TPE that won’t be used.

You know what would be even funnier... unless we move both Joe and JC I don't see a great way to duck the whole tax. We would end up just slightly over the tax AGAIN. Even moving Joe, Doke won't do it.

It would be funny and I'd end up fighting everyone here who claims the Jazz management knows anything about the salary cap. Jump in the repeater category for being barely over the tax a couple years in a row... a small part of me is actually rooting for it.

 

[infection]

I supported the direction this franchise had gone in up until late fall / early winter of Donovan’s rookie year when we knew what we had. It was then apparent that the window was opened and we needed to get aggressive. Most everyone was still in tank and asset acquisition mode because Rudy being out artificially depressed our record. Since then we have been too slow and half-assed to aggressively take advantage of the window. DL wanted to “keep dat powder dry” and waited until our option was a narrow focus on Conley. And now we’re wasting this window by not realizing it’s closing. It’s likely going to close not naturally, but with help. Our bad decisions and indecisions will lead to the same lackluster results that we will then conclude there’s not a pathway forward and make a “large pivot” that likely won’t be successful, and when we go through a serious lull that we were spared from after Hayward left, we’re going to look back at how far we’ve fallen and wonder how we ****ed this up so bad.