Trade deadline discussion

[Handlogten's Heros]

+ a constant passive-aggressive simmering between the franchise cornerstones.

It’s fine.

But for real, that is smart. I’m about ready to throw some **** around to get Jerami Grant now and position the Jazz to chase Jaylen Brown, but not trading any draft capital and letting this team die in the playoffs to create justification for a real pivot makes sense, unfortunately.

Either way, can we please, PUHLEASE, for the love of god, get Jordan Clowntown off the ****ing team. It’s been such a joy not watching him diarrhea all over the place every night with Quin bathing in it.

The only hope I have for this is JC is the only way we duck all the way under the tax. That may push us over the edge in moving him for a likely pretty rough return.

 

[LoPo]

I supported the direction this franchise had gone in up until late fall / early winter of Donovan’s rookie year when we knew what we had. It was then apparent that the window was opened and we needed to get aggressive. Most everyone was still in tank and asset acquisition mode because Rudy being out artificially depressed our record. Since then we have been too slow and half-assed to aggressively take advantage of the window. DL wanted to “keep dat powder dry” and waited until our option was a narrow focus on Conley. And now we’re wasting this window by not realizing it’s closing. It’s likely going to close not naturally, but with help. Our bad decisions and indecisions will lead to the same lackluster results that we will then conclude there’s not a pathway forward and make a “large pivot” that likely won’t be successful, and when we go through a serious lull that we were spared from after Hayward left, we’re going to look back at how far we’ve fallen and wonder how we ****ed this up so bad.

We cocked this up so badly. Just move after move that probably tanked our chances.

I'm not going to pick on Conley because y'all know my thoughts on that trade. But the response after?
Signing Favors to that deal then having to dump a 1st with it?
Signing Ed Davis to a solid deal then having to use an asset to dump?
Keeping Bradley around too long only to use an asset to dump him?
Not trading Clarkson this summer when he had really good value?

Add all that to how badly we drafted by not taking Bane or Herb Jones.

Another wasted opportunity.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The only hope I have for this is JC is the only way we duck all the way under the tax. That may push us over the edge in moving him for a likely pretty rough return.

Not going to happen. If we simply dump him for LT reasons that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell. That's all this franchise cares about currently.

 

[Jingled]

Josh Richardson is solid on both ends and is having the best shooting year of his career. I definitely don't think he's going to be enough to put us over the top though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not going to happen. If we simply dump him for LT reasons that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell. That's all this franchise cares about currently.

It could be a multi-team deal that makes it happen... if you were good you could figure out a way to do it with lots of moving pieces to make it better... JC into NOP trade exception with Holiday coming back from Indiana using the Favs exception... then dump Joe into OKC's space.

It would just be so funny to me to see us pour a ton of draft capital into dumping Favs and Ingles and still end up 2.5M over the luxury tax for the second year in a row. We gave up our future NBA drafts to sign and dump Favs and then to sign Rudy Gay.

Depends on what the cost of dumping Joe is... if it was pick protections on a pick you were likely already going to convey in 2024... okay then I get saving the 38-39M... if its JB and more seconds then I'm just out on this ********.

 

[LoPo]

Not going to happen. If we simply dump him for LT reasons that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell. That's all this franchise cares about currently.

I think you meant...

If we simply dump him for LT reasons, that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell who is vitally important to any chance the Utah Jazz has at winning a title. Winning a title on a budget is all this franchise cares about currently.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think you meant...

If we simply dump him for LT reasons, that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell who is vitally important to any chance the Utah Jazz has at winning a title. Winning a title on a budget is all this franchise cares about currently.

No, I meant what I said and it's 100% correct.

 

[homeytennis]

I keep thinking back to the summer the Jazz signed Uncle Jeff and Ed and wonder if the team would have been far better off signing neither and allowing our back up center core to be Bradley and Willie Reed and signing George King to a contract. All of the asset burning and dumping could have been avoided allowing a real trade to be made later in time.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We ****ed this up so badly. Just move after move that probably tanked our chances.

I'm not going to pick on Conley because y'all know my thoughts on that trade. But the response after?
Signing Favors to that deal then having to dump a 1st with it?
Signing Ed Davis to a solid deal then having to use an asset to dump?
Keeping Bradley around too long only to use an asset to dump him?
Not trading Clarkson this summer when he had really good value?

Add all that to how badly we drafted by not taking Bane or Herb Jones.

Another wasted opportunity.

Even before that... sitting on the Favs Ricky Rudy configuration even though we saw how well it worked having a shooter on the court. I could have understood trading Ricky or Favs... but just running it forward was crazy town. The infatuation with Exum and keeping him over Jae. Not moving him when reports were we could have for solid value. Letting cap space die on the vine multiple years in a row. Not using MLE and other cap exceptions just cuz.

Then all the ******** you mentioned. ANGER

 

[LoPo]

No, I meant what I said and it's 100% correct.

Dude, take a break from posting for a while.

If you honestly think our FO and coaching staff care more about catering to Don than winning a title, you're just "lost the plot" as they say.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I keep thinking back to the summer the Jazz signed Uncle Jeff and Ed and wonder if the team would have been far better off signing neither and allowing our back up center core to be Bradley and Willie Reed and signing George King to a contract. All of the asset burning and dumping could have been avoided allowing a real trade to be made later in time.

Or if you do sign a veteran center to a two year deal... maybe don't pick up the option on the struggling young center you clearly don't believe in.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Conley deal was the best move the FO made in a while. It's still an extremely good trade for the Jazz.

The issue is how many assets they used up on backup center over and over again. That's really it. Anything else is nitpicking and having unrealistic expectations about how much a FO can get right.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dude, take a break from posting for a while.

If you honestly think our FO and coaching staff care more about catering to Don than winning a title, you're just "lost the plot" as they say.

Nah, stick to your terrible trade ideas and I'll stick to my calling it as it is.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

We should absolutely trade Mitchell for Brown this off-season.

Please tell me you’re joking?

It's the NBA, and has been this way for decades. People are acting like we are being unreasonable because we are making moves which might make Donovan Mitchell happy.

Has not been this way for decades

 

[LoPo]

Even before that... sitting on the Favs Ricky Rudy configuration even though we saw how well it worked having a shooter on the court. I could have understood trading Ricky or Favs... but just running it forward was crazy town. The infatuation with Exum and keeping him over Jae. Not moving him when reports were we could have for solid value. Letting cap space die on the vine multiple years in a row. Not using MLE and other cap exceptions just cuz.

Then all the ******** you mentioned. ANGER

Absolutely right. We knew without a doubt that Favors didn't work next to Rudy for playoff success yet we tried to force feed it for years.

Ugh, and the Exum experiment. That second contract was awful.

We can throw up a 3rd statue for ineptitude - one for Stock/Malone, one for Deron/Booz/Okur and one now for Don/Rudy.

We are about to waste the trade value of Mike and Bojan, and before long, Rudy's contract will be an issue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Please tell me you’re joking?

Has not been this way for decades

Nope, I believe in Brown's potential more than Donovan's. I think Brown still has levels he can evolve to.

I think Don is what he is for the most part. He's a top 25 player who can have burst of GOAT level play, but at the end of the day being 6'1 is being 6'1.

Give me the bigger player, especially considering we could get additional assets with Brown to fully build the team out to an actual contender.

Just my opinion.

 

[jom2003]

I keep thinking back to the summer the Jazz signed Uncle Jeff and Ed and wonder if the team would have been far better off signing neither and allowing our back up center core to be Bradley and Willie Reed and signing George King to a contract. All of the asset burning and dumping could have been avoided allowing a real trade to be made later in time.

Uncle Jeff was a good signing... Quin gave him the Rudy Gay minutes but DL thought the negative valued Rayjon Tucker was better

 

[LoPo]

Nah, stick to your terrible trade ideas and I'll stick to my calling it as it is.

What you're going to do is play this victim card over the next few years. We'll disappoint and not progress. Instead of pointing out the obvious that Conley wasn't there when we needed him to be and the trade to get him sapped our resources, you'll create some narrative that this window got wasted because we catered to Donovan Mitchell. It is a lie now and will be a lie when you try to spin it years from now.

We didn't truly contend for a title because we screwed up pre-Conley. We screwed up with the Conley deal because he simply hasn't been there. We screwed up bringing Favors back. And we drafted horribly when we could have fixed all the mistakes through excellent 2nd rounders.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What you're going to do is play this victim card over the next few years. We'll disappoint and not progress. Instead of pointing out the obvious that Conley wasn't there when we needed him to be and the trade to get him sapped our resources, you'll create some narrative that this window got wasted because we catered to Donovan Mitchell. It is a lie now and will be a lie when you try to spin it years from now.

We didn't truly contend for a title because we screwed up pre-Conley. We screwed up with the Conley deal because he simply hasn't been there. We screwed up bringing Favors backk. And we drafted horribly when we could have fixed all the mistakes through excellent 2nd rounders.

Conley's a great player and our best hope as is. If he can never stay healthy in the playoffs it is what it is. It's worth the risk. He's that good and you consistently **** on him and act like he's trash. Go back to making a billion post about how badly you want to trade Conley for Julius Randle and get off my nuts.

 

[jom2003]

Like I said before, Conley is good but not that good. kinda like the jazz themselves as a team... GTFO now... everything people said about Conley here, they are really talking about the MVP candidate, 12*allstar, 10*all-nba and 9*all-nba defense Chris Paul, who's basically transformed the suns since he got there.

Conley isn't that for the jazz... like at all. have we not made that trade for him, we will still be in a similar position, but Memphis won't be in nearly as strong of a position as they are now.