I think there's still a chance the Lakers are still deciding between UTA and IND offers....but the down payment theory is a reach if I've ever seen one lol.
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I think there's still a chance the Lakers are still deciding between UTA and IND offers....but the down payment theory is a reach if I've ever seen one lol.
The Jazz just insured they get THT. That's all this is. They know they arent coming to an agreement with the Lakers over the two FRP for our vets, so they took the smaller deal to keep THT out of the potential Indiana deal.
MAYBE the Indiana deal never happens and the Lakers come back and do another trade with the Jazz, but the down payment theory is just wishful thinking.
MAYBE the Indiana deal never happens and the Lakers come back and do another trade with the Jazz, but the down payment theory is just wishful thinking.
Yeah, that's the point. If he is your second best shooter and best defender, you need upgrades.
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Unless the Bev / Russ beef has been exaggerated, and the Lakers think they could make that work, taking on Bev before having an offer for Russ would be a mistake. Now they would be in a position of weakness with teams knowing they have to find a deal for Russ.
Teams have known this for the last few months after that report that Russ wasnt into taking a lesser role as described by Darvin Ham.
I don't think the Bev / Russ beef matters. The league already knows the Lakers have to find a deal for Russ. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know that. The Pacers, for example, using the Bev / Russ beef as extra leverage in their negotiations is wild to me lol.
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I hadn't heard that. The impression I had was that the Lakers (specifically Lebron) were cool with running it back with Russ.
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It may not have even been that exactly. Maybe they were going to do a THT/Johnson plus a first for Turner? They have interest in a bigger deal with us but also are getting impatient and Indiana is getting impatient. Indiana has reservations about paying Westbrook that much to go away. Their owner is old school and does things differently even if it is at the detriment of his team. The Malcolm Brogdon deal and the Ayton offer sheet (refusing to make it poisonous at all) are examples... the paying Russ to not play thing was real and reported. Lakers may not have wanted to give both firsts.
We are 1 of 2 teams constantly mentioned with Russ... I'd add a third team in SA but there hasn't been as much noise there. It is not wild to think there is a follow up deal and this was real tangible action to show intent later to complete the bigger deal.
This happens in business all the time. My FIL does a ton of land deals and will put up good chunks of money to get 14-30 day extensions to close a deal. While I don't think Lakers are obligated to complete a deal with us later... this may have been enough to get us a 14 day extension. We literally can't do the bigger deal right now... so it totally makes sense for the Lakers to require something real or they will move on.
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That's true but teams can still say they are keeping the guy and sell a credible bluff. This deal makes it harder. Its just like how the Jazz are trying to sell how totally cool they are with keeping Donovan and building around him.
I don't think they do this deal unless they have a really good idea they have a Russ trade they like. The Indiana deal may look better than our deal on the surface but it requires both firsts per all the reporting... it also provides a cap issue for their plans next summer. An issue they can't solve by trading a pick.
Before we did the Bev deal they could have done THT/SJ and a pick for Turner... the only way for them to do the Indiana deal now is with Westbrook.
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Its not a stretch at all. Two teams are discussing a deal. They want to consummate a deal but they literally can't for a couple weeks. Both sides would rather not take the others word for it so they take action now on something they can do.
Look when we end up doing the Westbrook deal none of yall get to come back here and tell me these two deals were unrelated. I guarantee it was discussed in detail. It is likely not agreed upon because there are too many other factors... its not a stretch for them to say "Hey we both like the total idea of the bigger package here... we know you have other offers... tell you what... we will do the THT part of this deal now and just wait until September or until we resolve our Donovan NY stuff to execute the rest of this."
It isn't any harder to do as two deals... lol... yall act like pinkie promises and wink and nod deals never happen in the NBA.
Maybe we can extend THT during the season when he’s balling out before letting him opt out.
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A couple of fun facts. THT has a 40 point game to his credit in the Association, is part of the Mini-van, Naz and Matty Ice progression at Iowa State and was drafted in the second round after Paschall and Justin James. Johnson was drafted one pick after Muday.
I highly doubt THT opts out of 11 million next year unless he plays far far far better than he ever has.
I honestly think he will play extremely well for us. I think he has been held back due to the style of play the Lakers have played.
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Danny loves him some THT, its as simple as that.
gomretat
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Could be that Danny loves him and there was no way that keeping Bev around made sense. He is not the kind of locker room guy you want when you are dumping all of your talent. Getting potential for Bev might be as good as it gets. And add me to the list of folks who say there was no way Bev gets you a first rounder.
2 year tank commander.
For the record: I dont believe in THT.
I just think he's worth trying to develop.
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Ahhhh so we got a guy who isn't close to being worth what he's paid? And we got no other asset to speak of? cool
We don't have to squeeze every deal... I get that. Its still fair to say we didn't get enough here or that maybe there is something else afoot. Why do this deal now with the Donovan stuff going on if it was simply about getting a guy who isn't worth the money he's being paid this year or next?