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Woj: Don to the Cavs for Markkanen, Agbaji, Sexton, three unprotected 1sts, two swaps, and a partridge in a pear tree.

oneye said:
Donovan wasn’t classy. Dude just wanted that image protected and knew he played like a careless douche this whole year and playoff series. He acted like a bitch for 2 years. Good ****ing riddance. Enjoy Cleveland douche.
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It's sad to see a fellow Don Issue mate fed up as well
 
In May I was pissed about the playoff exit and I said:

If we make the Donovan trade then I think we follow the OKC model with the whole team and hit restart right. Bogey, Clarkson, Gobert, Donovan and Conley all fetch 2+ firsts in the right trades. I could see us pickup upwards of 14 first round picks from that group.
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Now we are sitting at 13 picks and my JazzFan self is feeling alive again. We are going to end up with more than the 14 I optimistically honored for back then.

I always was counting Gobert and Mitchell with optimistically 4 each but I figured the rest were a stretch for more than 1 each. I also liked OKCs method of restoring value to players without value and then flipping them for assets.

Now with the master of puppets pulling the strings... 14 is likely in the dust.

We also get back a pick from Memphis by sucking... for those who weren't watching.
 
Shad said:
I'm the most excited about Agbaji. Dude looks like he's going to be legit. I'd love to see a starting lineup of Sexton - Beasley - Simone - Agbaji - Kessler
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Huh? Agbaji is a SG (maybe can play some SF against certain opponents).
 
Brsn said:
Maybe. At what point do they regret this? I would think only if there are no finals appearance(s) or championships before Donovan leaves or gets injured. The Cavs are definitely one of the best teams in the East now and have the potential to go very far.
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They will regret it because Don won't move the needle as much as they hope, and his high usage may attenuate the growth of their youth and limit their ability to grow in the future.

Garland took a big step, with similar growth as we saw with Don early on. Would Hayward have slowed that growth? Probably, and we may see that this year with Garland. Garland is a great playmaker and hopefully for them it ends up being a good pairing. I was expecting Mobley to get more touches this season as a key to the offense, and I expect that to be less likely now. Mobley and Allen are both good, but neither are great screeners (Allen is ok, but closer to Whiteside than Gobert). Don benefitted from more screen assists than any player in the league. It will be interesting to see if/how he adjusts and how his efficiency % are.

I predict Agbaji is going to be a perfect 3 and D player, and expect his shot creation/playmaking to improve even if he is an "old rookie". 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan that plays lockdown D on multiple positions is the type of SG you need in today's NBA. His floor is high, and Utah will be a perfect opportunity for him to develop on the court to maximize his ceiling. Hardy is going to love him.

Cle will miss Agbaji on the perimeter. LeVert looks to fit the mold size-wise, but he is overrated trash and a horrible defender. CLE will now suffer with a tiny backcourt with subpar D, although they have a much better balanced front court on both ends than the Jazz had the last couple of years, and they have the luxury of being in the weaker East. Garland has youth over Conley, but so far has been not quite as good as a defender (he is a much better facilitator though). CLE will also miss Lauri, who was a good complement to allen and Mobley to offer more perimeter scoring. Whether CLE can get Don to make an effort on D may be the key to their success.

CLE gets a "better" scorer than Sexton in the backcourt they need (LeVert is less consistent than Don, and frankly, may not be in a CLE roster after this year). Pre ACL, Sexton was a better defender than Don, and had similar offensive efficiency %s on a MUCH worse team. The injury didn't give him a chance to grow and jell with the team this last year, but he was quite efficient on both ends on cellar teams. If he can recover and continue to grow, the Cavs may have already had the backcourt they needed to take the next step.

The post-ACL ability will be a key driver, but Sexton is young enough that he should be fully recovered.

As the Jazz push for a quick rebuild with a splash in next years draft, Agbaji will be the prime Danny Green type player we will need.

I actually think this trade will end up paying the most dividends for Utah in the future. Some of the late pics may be gold, and I think Don, after being so close to going to NY, will still want the limelight of NY or Miami, and will jet when his contract is up.

I watched a lot of Cavs games last year, I liked what they put together. They were having a lot of fun on the court and playing good team ball. It will be interesting to see how they adjust. I was looking forward to see them with a healthy Sexton this year to see what they could do, but am glad this trade happened, as I predict it will be great for Utah.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
They will regret it because Don won't move the needle as much as they hope, and his high usage may attenuate the growth of their youth and limit their ability to grow in the future.

Garland took a big step, with similar growth as we saw with Don early on. Would Hayward have slowed that growth? Probably, and we may see that this year with Garland. Garland is a great playmaker and hopefully for them it ends up being a good pairing. I was expecting Mobley to get more touches this season as a key to the offense, and I expect that to be less likely now. Mobley and Allen are both good, but neither are great screeners (Allen is ok, but closer to Whiteside than Gobert). Don benefitted from more screen assists than any player in the league. It will be interesting to see if/how he adjusts and how his efficiency % are.

I predict Agbaji is going to be a perfect 3 and D player, and expect his shot creation/playmaking to improve even if he is an "old rookie". 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan that plays lockdown D on multiple positions is the type of SG you need in today's NBA. His floor is high, and Utah will be a perfect opportunity for him to develop on the court to maximize his ceiling. Hardy is going to love him.

Cle will miss Agbaji on the perimeter. LeVert looks to fit the mold size-wise, but he is overrated trash and a horrible defender. CLE will now suffer with a tiny backcourt with subpar D, although they have a much better balanced front court on both ends than the Jazz had the last couple of years, and they have the luxury of being in the weaker East. Garland has youth over Conley, but so far has been not quite as good as a defender (he is a much better facilitator though). CLE will also miss Lauri, who was a good complement to allen and Mobley to offer more perimeter scoring. Whether CLE can get Don to make an effort on D may be the key to their success.

CLE gets a "better" scorer than Sexton in the backcourt they need (LeVert is less consistent than Don, and frankly, may not be in a CLE roster after this year). Pre ACL, Sexton was a better defender than Don, and had similar offensive efficiency %s on a MUCH worse team. The injury didn't give him a chance to grow and jell with the team this last year, but he was quite efficient on both ends on cellar teams. If he can recover and continue to grow, the Cavs may have already had the backcourt they needed to take the next step.

The post-ACL ability will be a key driver, but Sexton is young enough that he should be fully recovered.

As the Jazz push for a quick rebuild with a splash in next years draft, Agbaji will be the prime Danny Green type player we will need.

I actually think this trade will end up paying the most dividends for Utah in the future. Some of the late pics may be gold, and I think Don, after being so close to going to NY, will still want the limelight of NY or Miami, and will jet when his contract is up.

I watched a lot of Cavs games last year, I liked what they put together. They were having a lot of fun on the court and playing good team ball. It will be interesting to see how they adjust. I was looking forward to see them with a healthy Sexton this year to see what they could do, but am glad this trade happened, as I predict it will be great for Utah.
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Yeah I'm sure Cleveland will miss a rookie 2 guard who never played for them when they get a 3 time all star 2 guard instead.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
They will regret it because Don won't move the needle as much as they hope, and his high usage may attenuate the growth of their youth and limit their ability to grow in the future.

Garland took a big step, with similar growth as we saw with Don early on. Would Hayward have slowed that growth? Probably, and we may see that this year with Garland. Garland is a great playmaker and hopefully for them it ends up being a good pairing. I was expecting Mobley to get more touches this season as a key to the offense, and I expect that to be less likely now. Mobley and Allen are both good, but neither are great screeners (Allen is ok, but closer to Whiteside than Gobert). Don benefitted from more screen assists than any player in the league. It will be interesting to see if/how he adjusts and how his efficiency % are.

I predict Agbaji is going to be a perfect 3 and D player, and expect his shot creation/playmaking to improve even if he is an "old rookie". 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan that plays lockdown D on multiple positions is the type of SG you need in today's NBA. His floor is high, and Utah will be a perfect opportunity for him to develop on the court to maximize his ceiling. Hardy is going to love him.

Cle will miss Agbaji on the perimeter. LeVert looks to fit the mold size-wise, but he is overrated trash and a horrible defender. CLE will now suffer with a tiny backcourt with subpar D, although they have a much better balanced front court on both ends than the Jazz had the last couple of years, and they have the luxury of being in the weaker East. Garland has youth over Conley, but so far has been not quite as good as a defender (he is a much better facilitator though). CLE will also miss Lauri, who was a good complement to allen and Mobley to offer more perimeter scoring. Whether CLE can get Don to make an effort on D may be the key to their success.

CLE gets a "better" scorer than Sexton in the backcourt they need (LeVert is less consistent than Don, and frankly, may not be in a CLE roster after this year). Pre ACL, Sexton was a better defender than Don, and had similar offensive efficiency %s on a MUCH worse team. The injury didn't give him a chance to grow and jell with the team this last year, but he was quite efficient on both ends on cellar teams. If he can recover and continue to grow, the Cavs may have already had the backcourt they needed to take the next step.

The post-ACL ability will be a key driver, but Sexton is young enough that he should be fully recovered.

As the Jazz push for a quick rebuild with a splash in next years draft, Agbaji will be the prime Danny Green type player we will need.

I actually think this trade will end up paying the most dividends for Utah in the future. Some of the late pics may be gold, and I think Don, after being so close to going to NY, will still want the limelight of NY or Miami, and will jet when his contract is up.

I watched a lot of Cavs games last year, I liked what they put together. They were having a lot of fun on the court and playing good team ball. It will be interesting to see how they adjust. I was looking forward to see them with a healthy Sexton this year to see what they could do, but am glad this trade happened, as I predict it will be great for Utah.
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He actually tore his MCL.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah I'm sure Cleveland will miss a rookie 2 guard who never played for them when they get a 3 time all star 2 guard instead.
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I don't think Mitchell is the ideal running mate to pair with Garland. As they are well over the cap, and draft capital tied up for years, it will be tough to improve (maybe they can vet something for LeVert by fleecing another team).

Mitchell is a bit older, and the Cavs other stars need more time to peak. I think it will be fine for the Cavs, it just won't move the needle as much as they hope. And I think Don will bounce when he can.

If Don starts playing D, it could make a big difference though. Don is a much better offensive player, with more physical size than Sexton. It is an upgrade at the 2, but the Cavs may have been better off developing a couple more years before swinging for the fences, but the iron was hot so they struck.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
I don't think Mitchell is the ideal running mate to pair with Garland. As they are well over the cap, and draft capital tied up for years, it will be tough to improve (maybe they can vet something for LeVert by fleecing another team).

Mitchell is a bit older, and the Cavs other stars need more time to peak. I think it will be fine for the Cavs, it just won't move the needle as much as they hope. And I think Don will bounce when he can.

If Don starts playing D, it could make a big difference though. Don is a much better offensive player, with more physical size than Sexton. It is an upgrade at the 2, but the Cavs may have been better off developing a couple more years before swinging for the fences, but the iron was hot so they struck.
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OMG!! You can’t be serious!!!
 
From what Tony Jones said, sounds like the Jazz want to lose this year but try to win starting the next year. I’m not a big fan of that at all. Really don’t want to skip steps. Give ourselves a chance at some blue chip prospects in the lottery for at least 3 years. There’s nothing worse than being in the middle of the draft. You need stars to be able to compete. People will still turnout to watch exciting young players even if the Jazz aren’t winning a lot of games.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
I don't think Mitchell is the ideal running mate to pair with Garland. As they are well over the cap, and draft capital tied up for years, it will be tough to improve (maybe they can vet something for LeVert by fleecing another team).

Mitchell is a bit older, and the Cavs other stars need more time to peak. I think it will be fine for the Cavs, it just won't move the needle as much as they hope. And I think Don will bounce when he can.

If Don starts playing D, it could make a big difference though. Don is a much better offensive player, with more physical size than Sexton. It is an upgrade at the 2, but the Cavs may have been better off developing a couple more years before swinging for the fences, but the iron was hot so they struck.
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If you wait for ideal you going to be left in the dust.
 
Jazz Traveler said:
From what Tony Jones said, sounds like the Jazz want to lose this year but try to win starting the next year. I’m not a big fan of that at all. Really don’t want to skip steps. Give ourselves a chance at some blue chip prospects in the lottery for at least 3 years. There’s nothing worse than being in the middle of the draft. You need stars to be able to compete. People will still turnout to watch exciting young players even if the Jazz aren’t winning a lot of games.
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Nah, I like it. DA is smart. The longer the Jazz wait to push chips in that means the picks will devalue as it becomes obvious both Cavs and Wolves are set up for long term sustainable success.

Get your stars asap.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nah, I like it. DA is smart. The longer the Jazz wait to push chips in that means the picks will devalue as it becomes obvious both Cavs and Wolves are set up for long term sustainable success.

Get your stars asap.
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The jazz need the balls to fall right for that to happen and I think Ainge and Zanik understand those odds. I suspect that's just the FO spin keep the impact to ticket sales at a minimum. When you tear down a house to the concrete foundation, it takes a while to rebuild and, if Jazz twitter is anything to go by, people have no understanding of this.
 
TheStormofWar said:
The jazz need the balls to fall right for that to happen and I think Ainge and Zanik understand those odds. I suspect that's just the FO spin keep the impact to ticket sales at a minimum. When you tear down a house to the concrete foundation, it takes a while to rebuild and, if Jazz twitter is anything to go by, people have no understanding of this.
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Trust me, the Jazz arent doing a long-term tank. They will be signing free agents to big contracts as soon as next year, maybe 2024 at the latest.
 
Funny listening to the Hoop Collective podcast Donovan was ecstatic to go to Cleveland.

Also noted that Cleveland/Utah have a really good working relationship. They have done a ton of trades over the years and even Ainge has worked with Cleveland in Boston. They homies.
 
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