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Who gets waived?

Which player(s) will be waived before the season starts?

  • Butler

    Votes: 31 35.2%

  • Dok

    Votes: 25 28.4%

  • NAW

    Votes: 7 8.0%

  • Bolmaro

    Votes: 15 17.0%

  • Stanley Johnson

    Votes: 27 30.7%

  • Saben Lee

    Votes: 53 60.2%

  • Gay

    Votes: 44 50.0%
  • Total voters
    88
I can't but feel that getting doused in cold water all last year really hurt him. I think he came in an NBA talent but he looks a little broken now.

I also can't help but wonder how differently last year would have gone if Conley got regular doses of rest such that he didn't come into the postseason worn out.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I can't but feel that getting doused in cold water all last year really hurt him. I think he came in an NBA talent but he looks a little broken now.

I also can't help but wonder how differently last year would have gone if Conley got regular doses of rest such that he didn't come into the postseason worn out.
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Which was really weird since the team at least said that they wanted to prioritize keeping its vets fresh yet we didn’t attempt at all to do that last year with Conley. Not that it probably would’ve made much of a difference in terms of playoff success in the end…
 
More than anything, I wondered why more people weren't high on Dosunmu which made me question my own feelings about him (my assessment essentially being, "uhh... yo; a 6" 5' PG that has the basics pretty well sorted and plays really good defense... why is he projected at the end of the 1st round? Isn't this EXACTLY what we need? I don't know enough, so I assume others' assessments are more on-point than mine, but he looks like a no-brainer top-20 pick to me.")
 
The Thriller said:
Which was really weird since the team at least said that they wanted to prioritize keeping its vets fresh yet we didn’t attempt at all to do that last year with Conley. Not that it probably would’ve made much of a difference in terms of playoff success in the end…
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It might not have, since the locker room was shattered and the main culprit was every tow-headed child's favorite player in the world.

But considering that Luka missed so much time... maybe they could've at least advanced to the 2nd round? But then again; what would the point be? Would that just mean that the Jazz run back that wreaking sack of **** again?
 
I thought Butler was playable. I didn't think he was a lead guard. Still surprised the Jazz would keep Dok when he's shown he can't stay on the floor for two consecutive years. Also, why not release Rudy Gay and let him go join a contender? He means nothing to the current Jazz.
 
The Thriller said:
And to think, we could’ve drafted Herb…

What a miss.

What a ****ing miss.

No matter how the NBA adjusts its system, nothing could fix the Jazz absolutely blowing it with Conley, Dok, and Butler. That would ruin the championship attempt of any franchise in any system.

That’s what makes me so sad about this era to me. While the others felt “played out”, this one felt like the franchise just made several god awful head scratching moves that just ruined the Gobert-Mitchell era. Had the no brainer moves been made, this franchise might have a championship banner or two right now with several promising young players like Bane and Jones.
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And Bane is becoming second best player on the Grizzlies. We really dug our own grave the last couple of off seasons.
 
NUMBERICA said:
More than anything, I wondered why more people weren't high on Dosunmu which made me question my own feelings about him (my assessment essentially being, "uhh... yo; a 6" 5' PG that has the basics pretty well sorted and plays really good defense... why is he projected at the end of the 1st round? Isn't this EXACTLY what we need? I don't know enough, so I assume others' assessments are more on-point than mine, but he looks like a no-brainer top-20 pick to me.")
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I kind of the felt the same way. You think so highly of a player but for some reason no one else seems to feel the same way so you start to question your evaluation. It was the same way the year before with Jaden McDaniels. It was like what am I missing that is making him drop that far.
 
Trent Forrest had 10/8/5 yesterday for the Hawks and is on course to becoming their primary backup to Murray/Trae this season. All I can say is that Quin was right
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I thought Butler was playable. I didn't think he was a lead guard. Still surprised the Jazz would keep Dok when he's shown he can't stay on the floor for two consecutive years. Also, why not release Rudy Gay and let him go join a contender? He means nothing to the current Jazz.
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This last month has been frustrating. We trade Bogey for a guy with no upside that has another year on his contract so we can't just waive him. Now we have 2 vets that don't fit anything that we are trying to do zero trade value and forces us to waive 2 guys that were young enough to possibly be part of a rebuild.
 
NUMBERICA said:
More than anything, I wondered why more people weren't high on Dosunmu which made me question my own feelings about him (my assessment essentially being, "uhh... yo; a 6" 5' PG that has the basics pretty well sorted and plays really good defense... why is he projected at the end of the 1st round? Isn't this EXACTLY what we need? I don't know enough, so I assume others' assessments are more on-point than mine, but he looks like a no-brainer top-20 pick to me.")
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Jazz punted on that draft when they traded out of the 1st round. Still they were considered lucky to land Jared Butler in the 2nd round. In retrospect, sure Ayo, Herb and a couple other guys were better picks.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I thought Butler was playable. I didn't think he was a lead guard. Still surprised the Jazz would keep Dok when he's shown he can't stay on the floor for two consecutive years. Also, why not release Rudy Gay and let him go join a contender?
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Gay is just not all that comparable to the other candidates in most ways on the margins:
- Gay's contract is more a problem of years than amount. If they waive him now, they can't save money next year on the buyout
- If they waive-and-stretch him, then ~$2.4 million stays on the books for FIVE years. That $2.4 million doesn't mean much next year or probably the year after, but it could be real problematic in 2027​
- If they waive-and-stretch him next year, then ~$2 million stays on the books for three years.​
- If they wait to waive him next year, there is a slim chance someone takes him off waivers, but if that doesn't occur, there is a decent chance they can get the veteran's minimum chopped off the deal which cuts the money owed in half ($3 million).​
- His salary next year becomes palatable as trade ballast next year since it would be expiring and mostly viewed as matching salary. That isn't the case with his deal currently because of the additional year.

So IMO, it really only came down to Dok, Butler, and Bolmaro. Since Dok is a famously terrible draft pick (more from context, to be fair), cannot stay healthy, has always been poorly conditioned, has almost 0 ball skills, and players of his type are a dime a dozen, it is downright weird to me that he somehow is still on the roster.
 
sip said:
This last month has been frustrating. We trade Bogey for a guy with no upside that has another year on his contract so we can't just waive him. Now we have 2 vets that don't fit anything that we are trying to do zero trade value and forces us to waive 2 guys that were young enough to possibly be part of a rebuild.
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Jazz traded Bogey to get a solid vet the front office knows, to save money and to get worse for the tank. There was rationale for it.

The front office must think that Rudy Gay might have trade value at the deadline or next offseason when his contract becomes an expiring. My feeling is, so what? Best case scenario, the Jazz get a 2RP for Rudy Gay, and Jared Butler was already a 2RP. Jazz must feel that Gay's salary has some value as a salary-match. There's no other explanation. That, and the Jazz obviously don't think very highly of Butler.
 
jom2003 said:
Trent Forrest had 10/8/5 yesterday for the Hawks and is on course to becoming their primary backup to Murray/Trae this season. All I can say is that Quin was right
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Not really. Aaron Holiday is likely to be the primary backup pg.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jazz punted on that draft when they traded out of the 1st round. Still they were considered lucky to land Jared Butler in the 2nd round. In retrospect, sure Ayo, Herb and a couple other guys were better picks.
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Jones wasn't on my radar and wasn't on almost anyone's besides maybe LoPo. I'm making the point that Dosunmu was on mine and were it not for some convincing would've been my pick.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jazz traded Bogey to get a solid vet the front office knows, to save money and to get worse for the tank. There was rationale for it.

The front office must think that Rudy Gay might have trade value at the deadline or next offseason when his contract becomes an expiring. My feeling is, so what? Best case scenario, the Jazz get a 2RP for Rudy Gay, and Jared Butler was already a 2RP. Jazz must feel that Gay's salary has some value in a trade. There's no other explanation.
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The Jazz feel they can at least save some money if they wait until next year and that there are other possibilities that his salary allows in a trade (I wouldn't quite say he has "value" in a trade).

But again, this isn't a question of Butler vs Gay to me. It's Dok vs anybody else on the fringes of making the roster. Wasn't the big selling point on him his OMG CRAZY athleticism? Well, I haven't seen it even when he was healthy, but HE'S NEVER ****ING HEALTHY.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jazz traded Bogey to get a solid vet the front office knows, to save money and to get worse for the tank. There was rationale for it.

The front office must think that Rudy Gay might have trade value at the deadline or next offseason when his contract becomes an expiring. My feeling is, so what? Best case scenario, the Jazz get a 2RP for Rudy Gay, and Jared Butler was already a 2RP. Jazz must feel that Gay's salary has some value in a trade. There's no other explanation.
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Olynyk doesn't make us worse for the tank. Giving those minutes to Udoka makes us worse for the tank.
 
sip said:
I kind of the felt the same way. You think so highly of a player but for some reason no one else seems to feel the same way so you start to question your evaluation. It was the same way the year before with Jaden McDaniels. It was like what am I missing that is making him drop that far.
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I was kinda low on McDaniels relative to his hype earlier in the process. But at pick #27? At worst, I would've been cool with it. The Dok pick broke everyone's brains, and despite doing vanishingly little in the NBA, he STILL makes the cut?
 
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