Utes 2011 Football Discussion

[SaltyDawg]

Let's take another route here. Pick your two losses. We can extrapolate from there who you think the 10 wins will be against.

I'm not entirely sure Utah has 2 losses next year. Like I said earlier, we can revisit that after I know what is going to happen with the offense. I'm quite sure Utah will have the best defense in the Pac 12 though, and if the offense is at least average (or better), 2 losses might even be too many. We need to see who they hire for an OC, what formations they plan to run, if anyone tries to go to the NFL, are the QBs any good, etc.

 

[Scat]

Arguing logic with Salty would make even a Vulcan want to slit their wrists.

 

[Scat]

I'm not entirely sure Utah has 2 losses next year. Like I said earlier, we can revisit that after I know what is going to happen with the offense. I'm quite sure Utah will have the best defense in the Pac 12 though, and if the offense is at least average (or better), 2 losses might even be too many. We need to see who they hire for an OC, what formations they plan to run, if anyone tries to go to the NFL, are the QBs any good, etc.

You would make an awesome DB. You back-pedal with the best of them.

 

[bordelais7]

Arguing logic with Salty would make even a Vulcan want to slit their wrists.

I give him full marks for stubborn persistence and unparalleled creativity, however. If the Ute defense can frustrate opponents the way he frustrates reality, I don't think it would be far-fetched to predict a national championship.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I checked, and since your prediction, only one person has been called a homer...it was scat, a BYU fan. You're talking out your *** again. The only thing people have challenged you on is your actual prediction, which was a simple O/U.

Again, you made a simple O/U prediction, but then you offered a bet that fell WAY short of that prediction. 1 =/= 10, last I checked.

Man I have been called a homer by all of these people more times than any of them could count. I know they didn't call me one after I made the prediction, that's why I keep saying next season when everyone is calling me a homer.

Again, the only real "prediction" I made in that post was that even the haters would have a hard time picking 3 losses out of those games (where I posted the schedule). Somehow the semantics turned that into me picking 10 wins. That is NOT the same thing. But even then. I offered to pick 10 wins as long as the hater matched me and picked 10 BYU wins.

It's not a simple O/U bet. Trying to turn it into one is pretty funny. Go read my initial post and see where I offered to make a simple O/U bet. And then take a hard look at where I said even the haters would have a hard time picking 3 losses out of those games. Pretty sure that post has proved to be spot on.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Why would I do that? I'm not confident that BYU will win 10. And it's completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

But you knew that.

You would do it for the same reason you expect me to. But you knew that.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Arguing logic with Salty would make even a Vulcan want to slit their wrists.

You would make an awesome DB. You back-pedal with the best of them.

I haven't back pedaled once. You're the one that acted like you want to bet and then suddenly changed his mind. Don't tell me about back pedaling, mr. pick 3 games but then suddenly you don't bet when money gets brought up, lol.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I give him full marks for stubborn persistence and unparalleled creativity, however. If the Ute defense can frustrate opponents the way he frustrates reality, I don't think it would be far-fetched to predict a national championship.

Says the guy who is afraid to go on record and predict 3 Ute losses out of the 12 games I posted. Even when I offer to pick 3 BYU losses out of the 6 or so games they currently have scheduled.

 

[Scat]

I haven't back pedaled once. You're the one that acted like you want to be and then suddenly changed his mind. Don't tell me about back pedaling, Mr. pick 3 games but then suddenly you don't bet when money gets brought up, lol.

How about we just bet that Utah has 3 or more losses? No need to pick the specific games.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

See, now you're just playing semantics. So as long s we're playing semantics, them picking 3 losses is not any different than me picking 10 wins. Either way, we're betting on the same thing.

Challenge accepted. Pick your 10 wins and name your price.

I'll pick my 10 Utah wins right after you pick your 10 BYU wins.

Why would I do that? I'm not confident that BYU will win 10. And it's completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

But you knew that.

I took out the unrelated parts ... in the name of space.

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This thing is moving way too fast for me. Salty, you are the true poster child of all Ute fans.

 

[SaltyDawg]

How about we just bet that Utah has 3 or more losses? No need to pick the specific games.

No way. If I have to endure you calling me a homer (which you have done plenty of times, even if GVC hasn't seen it) then lets see if you're qualified to do that, or if you just like to rile up the haters.

Like I said, I'll pick 10 wins if you pick 10 BYU wins. We both have to take our team in the Utah BYU game though.

 

[Scat]

No way. If I have to endure you calling me a homer (which you have done plenty of times, even if GVC hasn't seen it) then lets see if you're qualified to do that, or if you just like to rile up the haters.

Like I said, I'll pick 10 wins if you pick 10 BYU wins. We both have to take our team in the Utah BYU game though.

LOL You say that they'll have, at a maximum, 2 losses. I say they have at least 3. Why are you making it so difficult?

 

[SaltyDawg]

LOL You say that they'll have, at a maximum, 2 losses. I say they have at least 3. Why are you making it so difficult?

If you're so sure they'll have at least 3 losses, tell me which games. (I know you did this, just pointing out my position)

 

[freakazoid]

I don't think it would be far-fetched to predict a national championship.

This.

 

[SaltyDawg]

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This thing is moving way too fast for me. Salty, you are the true poster child of all Ute fans.

Well try to keep up. Here's a quote for you to add to the your list of snippets:

Me picking 10 Utah wins had nothing to do with the topic at hand either. My prediction was that Ute haters would even have a hard time picking 3 losses out of the listed games (and I listed them all).

I rolled with the punches though and offered to bet anyone that was confident enough to pick 3 losses out of that list. When people complained, I offered to do another bet for an equal amount where I would pick 3 BYU losses (out of a much crappier schedule, with fewer games to choose from). When that wasn't good enough, I offered to pick 10 Utah wins as long as the hater betting me would also pick 10 BYU wins. But this isn't, and has never been about me just flat out picking 10 Utah wins.

 

[Scat]

If you're so sure they'll have at least 3 losses, tell me which games. (I know you did this, just pointing out my position)

Do you not see how this puts you at a major advantage? It shouldn't matter who I think they'll lose to, only that they will have more losses than you predict.

 

[GVC]

You said "Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season", but are only willing to bet that they don't go winless. meh.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Do you not see how this puts you at a major advantage? It shouldn't matter who I think they'll lose to, only that they will have more losses than you predict.

Not at all. It removes the option of you blindly guessing. If you're going to label me a homer, lets see if you're qualified to do that. Or if you just want to call me a homer because you think it makes you look cool to the haters.

Calling me a homer and then throwing out some blind guess is not an option that I support. Lets see what you really know.

And before you even try to go there, I already said I'd be happy to do the same with BYU. The catch is we both have to pick our team (Utah for me, BYU for you) in the head to head match up. You already said you think BYU has a better than average chance to win, so that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[SaltyDawg]

You said "Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season", but are only willing to bet that they don't go winless. meh.

I said Utah has a real shot to go undefeated if they fix the offense. Right now they don't even have an OC, so we have no idea what kind of offense they will have.

 

[GVC]

Northern Colorado, Utah State, and BYU are the out of conference games. lol, we're really scheduling like a BCS team now.

Conference games are the same as this year, except in the other stadium.

All jokes aside, looking at that schedule I don't see how Utah loses more than 2 regular season games (if that). And if the offense gets itself together, Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season (at least in the regular season). It's pretty early and all, but I bet even the haters will find a hard time going on record and predicting more than 2 of these games as losses:

Thur., Aug. 30
Northern Colorado at Utah

Sat. Sept. 8
Utah at Utah State

Sat., Sept. 15
BYU at Utah

Sat., Sept. 22
Utah at Arizona State

Sat., Sept. 29
Bye

Thurs., Oct. 4
USC at Utah

Sat., Oct. 13
Utah at UCLA

Sat., Oct. 20
Utah at Oregon State

Sat., Oct. 27
California at Utah

Sat., Nov. 3
Washington State at Utah

Sat., Nov. 10
Utah at Washington

Sat., Nov. 17
Arizona at Utah

Fri., Nov. 23
Utah at Colorado

Fri., Nov. 30
Pac-12 Championship Game

I see nothing about the offense here.

But good on ya for predicting they'll win at least 1 game. Ballsy.