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Jazz draft Keyonte George at 16

Udidthizz said:
Keyonte regularly hits 3s in game from several feet behind the line. You can debate if it’s wise to take those shots, but it’s certainly something Ben Simmons can’t do.
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Game video is far more valuable than open gym video.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
your saying his college coach held him back? By the way both Keyontae, George and Bryce Sensabaugh are 19 yr old kids too. Keep that in mind.
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His college coach held him back as much as Lauri's did. Yep.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think Keyonte has the most All Star potential, simply because he's got a pretty well-rounded game and he's going to put up the most points. This next era of the Utah Jazz may become known as the Keyonte-Lauri era. He's probably going to be that era-defining guard for the Jazz.
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Or he will bust like many many picks do. Ya he might be great. He might be ok. He might be out of the league in a couple years. He is a kid who has done nothing yet. Just like all the other players in the draft.
 
I think there is a very outside chance that Keyonte gets in the ROY conversation. I think these things would need to happen:

- Jazz don't sign another guard
- Keyonte beats out Dunn and THT in the guard rotation OR Clarkson and THT move on.
- Jazz stick to their talking point that Sexton is not a starter and Agbaji is.

Keyonte could be looking at an opportunity to have regular rotation minutes in rotations where he could have the ball in his hands a ton with a spaced floor and a pretty good supporting cast.
 
I seem to remember that last guard from Baylor the Jazz drafted and everyone was so high on him. What was his name? I forget.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I think there is a very outside chance that Keyonte gets in the ROY conversation. I think these things would need to happen:

- Jazz don't sign another guard
- Keyonte beats out Dunn and THT in the guard rotation OR Clarkson and THT move on.
- Jazz stick to their talking point that Sexton is not a starter and Agbaji is.

Keyonte could be looking at an opportunity to have regular rotation minutes in rotations where he could have the ball in his hands a ton with a spaced floor and a pretty good supporting cast.
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Maybe like Don… Ochai or Sexton get the Hood diarrhea and he gets promoted game 1.
 
Ochai. Clarkson. Tucker. Dunn. Long ago, the four Guards lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Free Agency attacked. Only the Combo Guard, master of all four skills (passing, shooting, defense, and ball handling), could surpass them, but when the Jazz needed him most, he was traded to Cleveland. (It feels like) A hundred years passed and my fellow JazzFAnz and I discovered the new Combo Guard, a rookie named George. And although his shooting skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready for the starting lineup. But I believe Keyonte can save the world.
 
I am cautiously optimistic after learning more about George. I admit that I'd been down on him before the draft mainly because I'm biased against what seemed to be his archetype (the chucker combo guard with mediocre size) and I didn't look as closely at him as I did at others.

But I do now like that he seems to care on defense, will make some good passes, seems to want to be great and is willing to take the tough shots, and has a truly impressive skill set. I'll hope that with the Jazz's help he's able to take to and develop in more of a lead-guard role and figure out a weight that maximizes his athletic potential. Can't wait for summer league where he'll hopefully immediately get to try his hand at running the team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Crazy that the 16th and 28th pick are higher potential than our 9th pick
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I don't think it's that crazy at all. The way I see the top-end of the draft is that teams should use it to get the guys with high floors AND high ceilings. That's what Hendricks is. Now, I agree his ceiling isn't as high as George and maybe even Sensabaugh, but his floor is higher than the former and most definitely a skyscraper above the latter.

Just mocking the idea out: say a -100 is the lowest floor a player could have and 100 is the highest ceiling they could have. You want the highest net score at the higher you go into the draft. Say Hendricks floor is -20 and his ceiling is a 75 for a score of 55. Say George has a -40 floor and his ceiling is 90 for a net score of 50. Sensabaugh -85 and 90 for a net score of 5.

Just trying to flesh out the concept of how I look at it as simply as I can. There is also the factor of rarity and I know you think Hendricks is some run of the mill wing but I see a forward that can do a rare combination of the most essential things that allow offenses and defenses to work at the highest levels. I am fine if he's never an all-star, I am happy if he's the best 4th option in the NBA, I am fine if he's low usage (that is often actually a good thing).

But this thread it about George. I wanted to hate on him early but the first time I saw footage I felt I was already eating humble pie. Kid obviously has crazy ball talent. I'm excited.
 
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Elizah Huge said:
We were all hoping to get Keyonte with our first pick earlier in the year before he got injured. We legit ended up with two top-10 guys.
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I actually believe this. He came in too heavy and then he dealt with ankle injuries which dragged down a great year he was having. We might've gotten crazy lucky because I think he was basically a consensus top-10 early in the year, prior to the injury stuff.
 
idiot said:
I am cautiously optimistic after learning more about George. I admit that I'd been down on him before the draft mainly because I'm biased against what seemed to be his archetype (the chucker combo guard with mediocre size) and I didn't look as closely at him as I did at others.

But I do now like that he seems to care on defense, will make some good passes, seems to want to be great and is willing to take the tough shots, and has a truly impressive skill set. I'll hope that with the Jazz's help he's able to take to and develop in more of a lead-guard role and figure out a weight that maximizes his athletic potential. Can't wait for summer league where he'll hopefully immediately get to try his hand at running the team.
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Keyonte reminds me a bit of U of W Markelle Fultz, but with a tougher shot diet and worse percentages. He's roughly an 80% FT shooter, which points to him being an adequate shooter, but his skill is that he's an advanced shot creator. I think we're going to see him dancing with the ball quite a bit.

FWIW, the college 3pt line has also moved further back since Fultz was in college.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Keyonte reminds me a bit of U of W Markelle Fultz, but with a tougher shot diet and worse percentages. He's roughly an 80% FT shooter, which points to him being an adequate shooter, but his skill is that he's an advanced shot creator. I think we're going to see him dancing with the ball quite a bit.

FWIW, the college 3pt line has also moved further back since Fultz was in college.
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The thing I'm least excited about with Keyonte is watching him dribble the air out of the ball.
 
Elizah Huge said:
We were all hoping to get Keyonte with our first pick earlier in the year before he got injured. We legit ended up with two top-10 guys.
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It's kinda strange how he fell.
idiot said:
I am cautiously optimistic after learning more about George. I admit that I'd been down on him before the draft mainly because I'm biased against what seemed to be his archetype (the chucker combo guard with mediocre size) and I didn't look as closely at him as I did at others.

But I do now like that he seems to care on defense, will make some good passes, seems to want to be great and is willing to take the tough shots, and has a truly impressive skill set. I'll hope that with the Jazz's help he's able to take to and develop in more of a lead-guard role and figure out a weight that maximizes his athletic potential. Can't wait for summer league where he'll hopefully immediately get to try his hand at running the team.
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He's a really active, physical, and intense defender. Usually those aren't associated with the "chucker" archetype so it's easy to miss on. I think I said something very similar to you earlier in the year. He's not usually my type of prospect, but I could see it.

The problem is, however, that he's just not very big and doesn't have that eye popping defensive talent like Hendricks, for example. From my film watching George is honestly in better position but is like 1/10th as effective. It may just be a physical limitation....but maybe that is less of an issue as a PG and POA defender. He didn't spend a lot of time guarding POA at Baylor.
 
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