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I don't just completely reject tariffs.

What I reject is using them in the stupidest most self destructive way with no deliberation or clear objective intent.

Tariffs on... J/K tariffs off. Haha got 'em, tariffs back on! Okay well not today but probably soon. Okay here's a list of worldwide tariffs based on nothing more than the slinkiness of my farts multiplied by the random spinning of a color wheel.

If a smart person was doing tariffs smartly I would not object. But what we have is an idiot doing tariffs idiotically and it is causing problems.
 
fishonjazz said:
More cherry picking. Or maybe trolling. You dont discuss the part where you say "ooohhh I'm so scared of fentanyl". "Is it even a problem really?".
Again, when you quote my post maybe point out the part you completely disagree with. You can go into my quoted post and remove parts that you do agree in order to highlight the parts you disagree with. Then I know that you dont disagree with the entire post (like the parts where im talking about fetanyl being a bad and dangerous and deadly drug) and I will be certain what exactly it is that you are disagreeing with. In this case apparently its that I said most people think that all deadly bad drugs are deadly bad drugs and most people dont see that as a black white issue. Which I still believe to be true. Certain people certainly do, like trump for instance. But i think most people simply agree that hard dangerous deadly drugs are bad regardless of what the skin color of the person doing them is.

Thank you finally saying in this post that "drug addiction is bad." Now I know for certain that you agree with that statement and we can move on I guess. Couldn't really know for certain until now due to the posts that made it seem that you felt otherwise.
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How is it trolling? And why? I’ve been a part of this board since 2004. What do I get out of trolling?

I’m sorry I didn’t address every single point In your post. Maybe sometimes I don’t address every point because I don’t disagree with them? I’ll try to do better next time to avoid confusion.

As far as people not seeing drugs being intertwined with race? That’s just not true. And you don’t have to be a trumper either. The way the crack epidemic has been depicted vs opioid, mass incarceration, the “war on drugs”, and the way drugs and the border are discussed really makes it pretty ****ing obvious how much race matters regarding drugs. Like you have to work harder to ignore this than to see it.
 
Sardines said:
I don't just completely reject tariffs.

What I reject is using them in the stupidest most self destructive way with no deliberation or clear objective intent.

Tariffs on... J/K tariffs off. Haha got 'em, tariffs back on! Okay well not today but probably soon. Okay here's a list of worldwide tariffs based on nothing more than the slinkiness of my farts multiplied by the random spinning of a color wheel.

If a smart person was doing tariffs smartly I would not object. But what we have is an idiot doing tariffs idiotically and it is causing problems.
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If the United States had waged a war against China in 2024 and lost. And China were making a “treaty of Versailles” like demands on the United States. How would they look different than what we’re currently doing to ourselves?
1. China would probably force us to severely shrink or stop our tech and science investments.
2. China would probably levy tariffs on us, extracting a heavy toll on consumer prices. They’d be the ones saying, “sorry America, since you lost this war your Christmas is gonna be pretty scant. Your kids will only receive 2 dolls instead of 30.”
3. And they’d probably mess with our relationships, making inroads with strategic partners like Japan and South Korea while alienating us from our closest allies.
4. They’d work to diminish our influence in Eastern Europe and Africa. Making us isolated.

How is this any different than what Trump has done to us?
 
I’d love for a trumper to explain what the reasoning is behind the tariffs. I’ve heard Trump say:

1. Tariffs will replace the federal income tax. Meaning that they’ll be permanent. This is an incredibly regressive tax, hurting consumers and especially low income workers the hardest.
2. Tariffs are to punish countries, like China. So medium to long term? Odd logic, since china’s political system isn’t reliant on popular support and the Chinese most certainly can endure lower standards of living over America. Plus, if we wanted to punish China, why are we also waging wars against Mexico and Canada at the same time?
3. Tariffs will bring back jobs. But who wants to screw iPhones together for Pennies? The Chinese firms that do this have suicide nets up in their buildings for a reason. I know your office job might not be ideal but it sure beats the sucky manufacturing jobs Trump wants to bring back. Plus, it’ll take years for these factories to reset and once Trump is gone, what’s preventing President AOC from getting rid of these tariffs in 2029?

A. So are they permanent?
B. Who are we trying to punish? China? The world? How effective can we really be fighting against… everyone at the same time?
C. What’s stopping the next congress or president from just going back to the pre2025 economy, back when our economy was actually growing instead of shrinking?

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Sardines said:
The Thriller is acting like Fentanyl is a completely made up issue by Trump. My entire point was that it is an actual issue that affects many people in the U.S..

Thriller countered with this holier than thou he doesn't have an addiction to opiates so why should we worry about anyone who does. That seems pretty rich coming from a person who generally champions social benefit programs.

More than anyone else here on the left Thriller takes a Democrats represent all things that are good and Republicans represent all things that are evil stance.

My entire point was that Fentanyl is an actual issue that should be addressed to the best of our ability. Do I think closed borders and deportations will fix it? Nope. Was not anywhere close to my point.
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Hollier than thou? You compared me to PJF and claimed that everyone consumes propaganda.

:rolleyes:

Do you stand by this or want to retract that?

My entire point is that fentanyl isn’t ever addressed; it’s used as a cudgel by those who fear monger drugs the most, to hurt POC and communities. My original post contained an article which criticized the Trump administration’s cutting of drug recovery therapy and Medicaid. So maybe before you attack me again, you give that article a quick looksie. Here, I’ll even repost it for your convenience.

View: https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bsky.social/post/3lnzphrac5k2p


One last thing, this was not a good experience. I would suggest before you come after me with your knives you actually read what I say instead of cherry picking little things to argue about. I think I’ve earned more credibility and good faith than you’ve expressed over the last few days that I care greatly about American lives and liberal causes. Im not one of the millions cheering on or turning a blind eye to the immorality that Trump and his fascist regime are doing to millions of Americans.

The fact that other posters got what I was saying which you and fish let your emotions get in the way of *actually reading and understanding* what I was saying, shows that for whatever reason, you two just refused to give me any credit or benefit of doubt. Which is odd considering my extensive liberal posting history, typically citing scholarly articles and credible sources. Not… big balls69 or Russian puppets, Benny Johnson.
 
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The Thriller said:
Hollier than thou? You compared me to PJF and claimed that everyone consumes propaganda.

:rolleyes:

Do you stand by this or want to retract that?

My entire point is that fentanyl isn’t ever addressed; it’s used as a cudgel by those who fear monger drugs the most, to hurt POC and communities. My original post contained an article which criticized the Trump administration’s cutting of drug recovery therapy and Medicaid. So maybe before you attack me again, you give that article a quick looksie. Here, I’ll even repost it for your convenience.

View: https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bsky.social/post/3lnzphrac5k2p


One last thing, this was not a good experience. I would suggest before you come after me with your knives you actually read what I say instead of cherry picking little things to argue about. I think I’ve earned more credibility and good faith than you’ve expressed over the last few days that I care greatly about American lives and liberal causes. Im not one of the millions cheering on or turning a blind eye to the immorality that Trump and his fascist regime are doing to millions of Americans.

The fact that other posters got what I was saying which you and fish let your emotions get in the way of *actually reading and understanding* what I was saying, shows that for whatever reason, you two just refused to give me any credit or benefit of doubt. Which is odd considering my extensive liberal posting history, typically citing scholarly articles and credible sources. Not… big balls69 or Russian puppets, Benny Johnson.
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I was more than ready to make good and move on, but in response to your post above?

GFYS
 
Fosto said:
I think you're spot on. Fentanyl is used as a boogeyman because it's more prevalent in white communities. They're saying that brown people are responsible for the problem, and they are using that as a justification for the mass deportations. It's obvious, and I don't know why people are getting so offended by what you're saying.
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Interesting you see a difference in point of view as "offense". And even that difference in point of view was just another equally valid view on a complex topic.
 
Sardines said:
You must not know what propaganda is or you must be the most naive person in the universe.

Everyone consumes propaganda.
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Except those that completely buy into their side's propaganda. Propaganda is only what the "evil" ones do. And clearly, we're not evil, so....
 
LogGrad98 said:
Interesting you see a difference in point of view as "offense". And even that difference in point of view was just another equally valid view on a complex topic.
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Oh lord. I didn't think people were getting offended because of the "differences in view points". It was the name calling and promises to put people on the ignore list. "Centrism" must be so exhausting.
 
The Thriller said:
As far as people not seeing drugs being intertwined with race? That’s just not true. And you don’t have to be a trumper either. The way the crack epidemic has been depicted vs opioid, mass incarceration, the “war on drugs”, and the way drugs and the border are discussed really makes it pretty ****ing obvious how much race matters regarding drugs. Like you have to work harder to ignore this than to see it.
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Nah, I knew lots of drugs addicts. And I knew many drug addicts who are now deceased. By far the majority of them were white. Zero of them were black. I have never met a black drug addict. When I think of a drug addict a white male pops into my head.

Not saying that things haven't been depicted in movies and television and media etc the way you say that they have. Simply saying that for me drugs aren't a racial issue. Same goes for many other people who actually know addicts. Most people I know have had addiction show up in their lives or their friends or families lives so they relate to those close, familiar situations way more that what they see in the media or how the government wants them to think. I dont disagree that the media and government have tried to tie drugs to POC but I simply dont think it has worked due to the fact that addiction is so rampant in every community and every race that most people can see that addiction and drugs aren't a POC issue but a simply a societal issue of all of us.
 
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OK….




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So dumb. I dont see this as a huge deal since im sure he is joking (just like in his interview when he said he should be pope or something) but its pretty lame that our president doesn't have the integrity, self awareness, respect, emotional intelligence, etc to know that its a horrible look to post this right after the pope dies.
Hopefully all the catholics are turned off by the classlessness of such a stupid post.
 
str8line said:
The Trump effect.

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Trump is like an international version of scared straight.
 
Fosto said:
Oh lord. I didn't think people were getting offended because of the "differences in view points". It was the name calling and promises to put people on the ignore list. "Centrism" must be so exhausting.
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I'll take it over blind fanaticism any day. Yes, employing critical thinking around most topics takes a lot more energy then just blind obeisance to the party line, no doubt. Still it's worth the effort. You should try it sometime.
 
fishonjazz said:
So dumb. I dont see this as a huge deal since im sure he is joking (just like in his interview when he said he should be pope or something) but its pretty lame that our president doesn't have the integrity, self awareness, respect, emotional intelligence, etc to know that its a horrible look to post this right after the pope dies.
Hopefully all the catholics are turned off by the classlessness of such a stupid post.
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Yes you would hope so. But right now my hope for us as a nation is pretty much at an all time low. Never underestimate the stupidity of fanatical people in large groups.
 
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