Keyontae George progression watch this year

[MTS]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

The defensive EPM is just another impact metric. This particular stat doesn't tell us who the "best" or "worst" defender in the league is (no such stat exists). It tells us a player's offensive/defensive/net impact within their own team.

No it doesn't. You're looking at "Estimated EPM", which is a prediction of what a player's defensive impact on their team will be in any given game based upon their entire career.

Keyonte's individual offensive impact on the Jazz is well above average this season.

The pic you posted used entire career data, not just "this season".

The problem is that his individual defensive impact is the worst in the NBA. By a mile. That means that overall, he's still a negative player for the Jazz.

The eye test says Key is one of the worst guard defenders I've ever seen in the league and the stats bear it out.

The eye test? He isn't even getting targeted. We have no rim protection. Here is ACTUAL EPM, based on this season alone:



There's an easy conclusion to make here, and it isn't "WCJ, Collier, and Keyonte are all historically bad defenders."

It is "Playing most of your minutes with Kevin Love at center will wreck your team's defense."

 

[fishonjazz]

It is "Playing most of your minutes with Kevin Love at center will wreck your team's defense."

I was watching the first half of tonight's game specifically following k love on defense.
Holy crap. He gives less effort than luka. Like doesn't even put his arms up lol.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Keyonte at 45/37/91 splits. His 3pt % has been skyrocketing since the rough early season shooting. Shooting 44% from 3 in 11 December games.

Would be crazy if Keyonte has a 50/40/90 season at some point.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

No it doesn't. You're looking at "Estimated EPM"

No I'm not. That was Actual EPM

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Gotta be runaway MIP, right?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gotta be runaway MIP, right?

Nope, go look at Jalen Johnson and Deni Avdija.

Imo it's between Johnson and Keyonte

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Nope, go look at Jalen Johnson and Deni Avdija.

Imo it's between Johnson and Keyonte

Rollins will get votes as well.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Rollins will get votes as well.

Not sure he will. Tough call on Rollins because his is more about opportunity than clear progression. There's a pretty deep list this year for MIP. Got Reaves and Duren as well

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Not sure he will. Tough call on Rollins because his is more about opportunity than clear progression. There's a pretty deep list this year for MIP. Got Reaves and Duren as well

I agree, and maybe biasedly think that Keyonte most represents what the award is all about. However, voters will clearly have their own criteria and I'm sure some will see Rollins as the MIP.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree, and maybe biasedly think that Keyonte most represents what the award is all about. However, voters will clearly have their own criteria and I'm sure some will see Rollins as the MIP.

Idk. I think each voter gets 3 votes? I don't see many voting for anyone outside of Duren/Jalen/Deni/Reaves/Keyonte

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Idk. I think each voter gets 3 votes? I don't see many voting for anyone outside of Duren/Jalen/Deni/Reaves/Keyonte

I've heard Rollins name in any national NBA pod that's talked about MIP. I'm not sure how representative they are to the voters, but there is clearly a narrative for him right now.

 

[rippimpc]

I was skeptical of keyonte’s poor defensive numbers but just watched someone breakdown some film of him and yeah he’s still a pretty bad defender.

 

[rippimpc]

Nothing not fixable, just really low effort here and there. Like not getting his arms up, lackadaisical close outs, getting turned around on a ja morant crossover and losing all will to live

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've heard Rollins name in any national NBA pod that's talked about MIP. I'm not sure how representative they are to the voters, but there is clearly a narrative for him right now.

Guessing that was more early on as his stats have fallen off a bit from his start.

 

[MTS]

No I'm not. That was Actual EPM

The screenshot you posted is not the actual.

At the top of the screen:



You need to click "Actual".

 

[donAZ62]

Mitchell led his team to postseason as a rookie being a national trend in the process.
Not fair to Key to use Don in the same conceptual breath methinks...

George is a good player and I think he's got what it's needed to contribute on D at clutch moments.
He's a good asset to have. We'll see if our brass somehow evolves and find ways to use the good asset in a proper way...

Ok, but my point with the post is that in his 3rd year- Keyonte's stats are VERY similar to Donovan in his 3rd year. Donovan was a rare rookie to come right out of the gate producing at a high level- like Kon K in Charlotte this year...

Jalen Brunson was way behind in his developmental curve compared to Keyonte, but by 5th year took his big jump. So players develop on different curves. But I am seeing enough out of Keyonte right now to believe his ceiling may be way higher than we thought.

 

[donAZ62]

How about defense?

What's your point? We all understand that to be a great player he will have to improve on defense- but those I listed aren't all-stars because of their defense. At 22- Keyonte is currently top 20 in points/gm, top 11 in assists, top 11 in FT attempts, and top 5 in FT %. The youngest players above him are Anthony Edwards (24) and Cade Cunningham (24). All but two are all-stars and those two probably will be this year.

And the last two nights Keyonte led the team to wins over Detroit and San Antonio..... but yeah--- let's just focus on the one negative thing you can cling to. Is there some particular reason you are so desperate for Keyonte not to exceed any limitations that would disprove your early assessment of him?

 

[rippimpc]

Hard to evaluate defense on a tanking team with nurk / flip / love as rim deterrent. Our young guards are defending primary scorers / creators night in / night out too.

 

[rippimpc]

Watching the film, keyonte does look like *** a lot tho

 

[HermanG]

Hard to evaluate defense on a tanking team with nurk / flip / love as rim deterrent. Our young guards are defending primary scorers / creators night in / night out too.

Meaningless games, offensive-minded HC, bad rim protectors, bad team defense.

There is a lot of "circumstancial evidence" that makes me wanna hold my judgement.