addictionary
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Only the ignorant ones bud. Only those ones.
Tyrone Corbin is Stupid
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Only the ignorant ones bud. Only those ones.
They report the cold hard facts only. Right?
Hotdog
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I share some of the same concerns as the coach. From what I have seen it looks like Kanter is a good shooter. I've wondered why his outside shooting has been curbed. I also think that Kanter might digress if he doesn't get any meaningful minutes this year. Last year felt like a big waste towards development. And this year I don't think will be any different.
Why not advise Kanter to go play for his country? It doesn't appear we have much use for him here.
Why not advise Kanter to go play for his country? It doesn't appear we have much use for him here.
cctrackstar
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Ok, as for the 'misunderstanding' concerning Ty's 'stupidness'. Tangentvic knows Kanter as a good shooter and that is also the euro style: shooting. However, 'we' know Kanter as an inexperienced player who needs to learn the game of basketball. From what I understand, Ty is developing him from the middle out. Start with his post game which will truly be his best strength due to his size and strength. Then after this, he will add his shooting game (as he already is starting to).
Here's a critical question for everyone to ponder: Do we want Kanter to play like Okur? He has the soft touch to do it, just like 'T' said. He could hang out at the three point line like Memo and take those long range shots. I've seen his stroke in limited bits and it looks good.
Hmmmm?
Did Memo play for Tangentvic? I don't know the answer myself and I don't want to research it, but if he did, and he became a shooting guard instead of a center, then I want Kanter to stay as far away from him as possible.
Here's a critical question for everyone to ponder: Do we want Kanter to play like Okur? He has the soft touch to do it, just like 'T' said. He could hang out at the three point line like Memo and take those long range shots. I've seen his stroke in limited bits and it looks good.
Hmmmm?
Did Memo play for Tangentvic? I don't know the answer myself and I don't want to research it, but if he did, and he became a shooting guard instead of a center, then I want Kanter to stay as far away from him as possible.
I remember Tanjevic blaming Sloan for Okur. Okur was more of an inside player when he was at Detroit according to many basketball writers in Turkey, then Sloan used his shooting ability to spread the opposing defense and for Boozer.
Haha let's not be so harsh on them, they(I'm talking about American basketball fans) generally don't know even the differences between the domestic leagues, euroleague, eurocup, NT competitions, olympics etc. But at least they are better than British fans, have you followed the London 2012? Man what arrogant and nationalist fans they are, I used to love UK before.
OK I gotta stop, I'm not racist.
Nice post, fair points. So, is our star player Big Al? If Corbin thinks he is then it may be considered as a certificate for stupidness.
Maybe Kanter didn't want to play for Turkey because he got tired of running the floor to see guards chuck up 3pts. I saw Turkey play a couple of times and they totally misused Kanter. The team was poorly coached and the bigs were an after thought on the offensive end. I know this guy wasn't the coach (I think that is right) but perhaps this had something to do with it. Is this the same guy who said Kanter wasn't ready for the NBA and also criticized him for going to America to play college ball? Maybe the guy has a problem with America.
I'll start off by saying I know absolutely nothing about Tanjevic. However, he said this either implied of not (if these are indeed his words):
"I know how to coach better than 26 to 27 of the thirty coaches in the NBA; these 26/27 are incompetent, and were they not, they would win championships like the top 3/4 because coaching wins championships irrespective of talent (incidentally, I would be one of the top 3/4, were I to grace an NBA team with my presence). I won't even talk to incompetent people, like Corbin, but I would have told him that I was going to do him a great service and actually provide some sort of real coaching to Enes. By playing in America, you will have to put up with inferior coaches and ultimately lose your head/brain. Kanter no longer knows how to play basketball, and he should shoot the ball all day long because a guy who shot 67% from the free-throw line in his first year in the NBA is (could be) the best shooter on the Turkish team, backcourt included."
Irrespective of this guy's reputation and accomplishments, he seems pompous and arrogant and out-of-touch with reality. To tell the truth, he sounds pissed off, so how serious should we take him? If Gregg Popovich had said something like this about the entire international coaching pool, I would have asked myself, "who is he pissed off at?" But NBA coaches never diss international coaches so blatantly since it would seem petty. I am by no means saying Corbin is perfect, but at least say something remotely supported by facts rather than just by strength of personality, which is all but unknown in the US.
"I know how to coach better than 26 to 27 of the thirty coaches in the NBA; these 26/27 are incompetent, and were they not, they would win championships like the top 3/4 because coaching wins championships irrespective of talent (incidentally, I would be one of the top 3/4, were I to grace an NBA team with my presence). I won't even talk to incompetent people, like Corbin, but I would have told him that I was going to do him a great service and actually provide some sort of real coaching to Enes. By playing in America, you will have to put up with inferior coaches and ultimately lose your head/brain. Kanter no longer knows how to play basketball, and he should shoot the ball all day long because a guy who shot 67% from the free-throw line in his first year in the NBA is (could be) the best shooter on the Turkish team, backcourt included."
Irrespective of this guy's reputation and accomplishments, he seems pompous and arrogant and out-of-touch with reality. To tell the truth, he sounds pissed off, so how serious should we take him? If Gregg Popovich had said something like this about the entire international coaching pool, I would have asked myself, "who is he pissed off at?" But NBA coaches never diss international coaches so blatantly since it would seem petty. I am by no means saying Corbin is perfect, but at least say something remotely supported by facts rather than just by strength of personality, which is all but unknown in the US.
Nope, different guys. On the NT subject, we(I too) will continue to blame Enes as long as he doesn't tell why he suddenly ditched the team at the last moment.
I'd agree if you just said Tanjevic sounds disrespectful. But twisting every sentence like you did(which you did well btw) doesn't make much sense to me. You could do that to every conversation or phrase and that would produce ridiculous results from everything.
Actually, linguists and literary critics do this all the time particularly with pragmatics. If your wife or girlfriend/boyfriend is sitting in a room with the window open and does not want to stand up to shut it, he/she can say, "it's cold in here." What was actually said was, "can you shut the window". This is a huge part of language, and it was relatively clear what Tanjevic was saying on one level, and my interpretation above is supported by quote after quote (through inference about the linguistic counter part). If Tanjevic says, "America is the perfect place to lose your head. Firstly, because the coaches [there] do not understand." He is also saying "I understand and am not an American coach; American coaches do not understand (except for 3 or 4)." On another level, he was saying "go to hell, NBA, Utah Jazz, Tyrone Corbin."
That's an acceptable position to take IMO. If you have a good reason for bailing on the NT, then say it. If not, then you shouldn't have committed in the first place.
Exactly.
Don't tire yourself this much(friendly advice), I'm not smart enough for such theories.
But seriously, I will read this again. But just don't forget one thing now, this is a weird fresh interview which is god knows how many times translated from one language to another and then written down in English by an italian site. I'll just say that your results of interesting game sounds a bit(actuall a lot) unfair for Tanjevic, I'm saying this just because I know him better. He's a very wise and intellectual person along with being a legendary basketball man.
theNBAnerd
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the jazz obviously wanted kanter to partake in summer league and P3. they probably were, as his manager says, "fine" with him playing with turkey as long as it didn't interfere with what they consider his true NBA development: summer league and P3.
whether that's conceited or not to think that kanter would get better by playing against the worst/youngest NBA ballers than he would by playing against some of the better international ballers, well that's a different argument. but my guess is that's how it went down: kanter was made aware that SL & P3 were pretty much required activities, and instead of fitting NT in there, too, he probably wanted a few weeks of downtime, and that was the only chance to take time and relax.
whether that's conceited or not to think that kanter would get better by playing against the worst/youngest NBA ballers than he would by playing against some of the better international ballers, well that's a different argument. but my guess is that's how it went down: kanter was made aware that SL & P3 were pretty much required activities, and instead of fitting NT in there, too, he probably wanted a few weeks of downtime, and that was the only chance to take time and relax.
Stifle Tower
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I'd cut him some slack regarding the rotations. It was clear last season the Jazz were trying to showcase Braille, Chucker and "The Other" Howard for trades. Of course, it all fell apart when Dwight went "all in" with Orlando and NJ no longer had to clear space to make a trade for him. Not to mention other teams were all waiting for the Dwight trade to happen before deciding if/what their reactive moves needed to be.
We'll never know the exact assets that we would have received in trades. But it's not like we were offering stars. None of the rumored players were all that exciting. Perhaps a couple of 2nd-rounders may have come our way. In the end, KOC had a nice Plan B during the offseason with his moves. I'm excited to see what our good young Southern boys can do.