We're buds, all right?
Game #5 - Utah Jazz vs Los Angeles Lakers - 11/7/12 - 7:00 PM MST - Root Sports, 1280 AM/97.5 FM
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We're buds, all right?
Mambo
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I was surrounded by so many Laker fans at the game tonight it made my skin crawl. Luckily they had nothing to talk about and most of them were chewing out steve blake and mike brown, but of course they praise kobe for every foul shot and said it was the right call. Felt good to see most of them leave with 3minutes left in the game.
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I'd guess that at least half the crowd to 60 percent were Lakers fans tonight. Unreal.
I too was surrounded by Lakers fans. Luckily, they were pretty cool and quiet. A few sections over there were annoying *** Lakers fans who kept cheering, "Lets Go Lakers!" Until late in the 4th when they left...
A few thoughts
#1 Tinsley is worthless. He is the new Raja Bell/Harpring. Corbin must be playing Tinsley for his "leadership" and veteran "savy" over Burks...
#2 Jazz have no offensive identity right now. Big Al lacks the explosivness to be a go to person. Marvin, Millsap, and Hayward, just aren't go to guys. Favors and Kanter aren't. We literally only have 2 guys who can create, Mo and Burks. Unfortunately, one is playing while the other is not.
#3 Foye saved us tonight. Lakers were making a run until he stopped them.
#4 If Nash plays, we lose. Blake missed several wide open 3s that Nash would have most likely nailed.
#5 FT disparity... I want to blame some of this on the refs. But I also want to blame it on our own lack of offensive identity. We're in year 3 of this experiment with Jefferson and Millsap and we still have no clue what to expect out of these guys. This is the #1 reason why we lose on the road. Like a solid run game in football, getting to the FT line controls the tempo of the game. Knowing that when you have to have points that you can get to the FT line is huge. We still don't do this. We prefer to shoot jumpers and weezys than cowboy up, take it to the rack, and get to the FT line.
#6 The Lakers are really slow. A big part of it might be age. But the other part is that they have no clue how to play together. The old Lakers team with Odom and Fisher had great chemistry. That's not happening quite yet.
I too was surrounded by Lakers fans. Luckily, they were pretty cool and quiet. A few sections over there were annoying *** Lakers fans who kept cheering, "Lets Go Lakers!" Until late in the 4th when they left...
A few thoughts
#1 Tinsley is worthless. He is the new Raja Bell/Harpring. Corbin must be playing Tinsley for his "leadership" and veteran "savy" over Burks...
#2 Jazz have no offensive identity right now. Big Al lacks the explosivness to be a go to person. Marvin, Millsap, and Hayward, just aren't go to guys. Favors and Kanter aren't. We literally only have 2 guys who can create, Mo and Burks. Unfortunately, one is playing while the other is not.
#3 Foye saved us tonight. Lakers were making a run until he stopped them.
#4 If Nash plays, we lose. Blake missed several wide open 3s that Nash would have most likely nailed.
#5 FT disparity... I want to blame some of this on the refs. But I also want to blame it on our own lack of offensive identity. We're in year 3 of this experiment with Jefferson and Millsap and we still have no clue what to expect out of these guys. This is the #1 reason why we lose on the road. Like a solid run game in football, getting to the FT line controls the tempo of the game. Knowing that when you have to have points that you can get to the FT line is huge. We still don't do this. We prefer to shoot jumpers and weezys than cowboy up, take it to the rack, and get to the FT line.
#6 The Lakers are really slow. A big part of it might be age. But the other part is that they have no clue how to play together. The old Lakers team with Odom and Fisher had great chemistry. That's not happening quite yet.
Zulu
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Who did Dwight talk to at the jazz bench at the end of the game??
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One last thought..
Kanter.
Don't know why he and Favors aren't spoonfed more.
Both need more PT and both need more offensive involvement.
We just flat out don't have offensive identity. Sometimes we try and jam it down other teams' throats with Jefferson. And that strategy sucks. He shoots a poor percentage, doesn't get to the FT line, and rarely passes the ball out.
Sometimes we're a pick and roll team, usually our best option.
Sometimes we try and play like the old Suns by running and gunning and sometimes this works.
We just have no idea what to do offensively other than hope that Mo creates and that guys get open on the perimeter and our bigs rebound their misses. It's bad man, real bad. Corbin is in over his head.
Even without a "franchise player" we need to decide what we want to do. If it's play higher tempo then we need to do so and stop trying to post Big Al up so often. Go small fast ball, take out Big Al, insert Favors at the 5, and roll with Millsap, Hayward, burks/Foye, and Mo and watch that team run and gun.
If it's to run our half court sets then we need to run those sets through matchup advantages and not just posting up Big Al. Take out Tinsley and put in someone like Burks and run the half court offense through him. Burks would have killed Blake tonight... Other times, run the offense through Millsap. Other times, when matchups are in our favor, Hayward. Create mismatches and run the offense through those.
Kanter.
Don't know why he and Favors aren't spoonfed more.
Both need more PT and both need more offensive involvement.
We just flat out don't have offensive identity. Sometimes we try and jam it down other teams' throats with Jefferson. And that strategy sucks. He shoots a poor percentage, doesn't get to the FT line, and rarely passes the ball out.
Sometimes we're a pick and roll team, usually our best option.
Sometimes we try and play like the old Suns by running and gunning and sometimes this works.
We just have no idea what to do offensively other than hope that Mo creates and that guys get open on the perimeter and our bigs rebound their misses. It's bad man, real bad. Corbin is in over his head.
Even without a "franchise player" we need to decide what we want to do. If it's play higher tempo then we need to do so and stop trying to post Big Al up so often. Go small fast ball, take out Big Al, insert Favors at the 5, and roll with Millsap, Hayward, burks/Foye, and Mo and watch that team run and gun.
If it's to run our half court sets then we need to run those sets through matchup advantages and not just posting up Big Al. Take out Tinsley and put in someone like Burks and run the half court offense through him. Burks would have killed Blake tonight... Other times, run the offense through Millsap. Other times, when matchups are in our favor, Hayward. Create mismatches and run the offense through those.
spycam1
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Interesting. So, you think Corbin should like, you know, coach?
I'm a spurs fan from spurstalk (I signed up during the spurs/jazz playoff round last season). While it's a safe bet that jazz fans and spurs fans probably don't like each other, it's a safer bet that fans of both teams hate prima donna superstar teams like the Lakers even more.
I watched this game and I was actively rooting for the Jazz to win, and I'm glad they delivered. It's unbelievably satisfying to see the privileged class of the NBA (L.A. fans) fail so miserably relative to expectations.
I watched this game and I was actively rooting for the Jazz to win, and I'm glad they delivered. It's unbelievably satisfying to see the privileged class of the NBA (L.A. fans) fail so miserably relative to expectations.
I personally respect the Spurs organization for what they did. (In fact, I really like the way the team is built, how Manu plays, and how everything seems so easy for them on the floor). But everyone likes seeing teams like the Lakers lose. They are always overhyped in the media. And as a Spurs fan, you realize that nobody is talking about you until you win a championship or win 20 some odd games in a row. Jazz and Spurs are very similar and liking either team is very similar.
I would imagine it being hard to be a Laker or Yankee fan (legitimately year in and year out) because of the "title or bust" attitude about everything.
Credit to Corbin for finally finding a way to get Burks some real playing time.
spycam1
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10 minutes ain't real.
addictionary
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Good to see Enes showing the ability to match-up with Howard. He locked him up good. That was an important test for him after that Bynum match-up. Next game, Howard will be pushing him all over the floor for he has tasted his strength.
