Longest Thread Ever

[babe]

Gotta be about a hundred sub-arguments, any one of which could satisfy anyone who just needs a reason. . . . to, or not to, believe.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I was about to run out the whole Book of Mormon argument. I'll take the anti-Mo part if you wanna play faithful believer/defender.

Is that too much of a stretch for me... I'm not a thespian you know.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Gotta be about a hundred sub-arguments, any one of which could satisfy anyone who just needs a reason. . . . to, or not to, believe.

It could be longest thread ever material, you have a point. Should we put up a poll and vote on it?

 

[babe]

horses. well, not just horsecrap, but real horses.

The anti-Mos have had it for a couple of centuries, with all the hoopla about how the Spanish lost some horses around Santa Fe or SoCal, and how there were no horses in the New World when the Europeans came here. The Book of Mormon allegedly says something about horses. The Mahonri Moriancumr subs didn't have horses, no? Lehi didn't have horses, no? But they said something, about once, in supposedly a thousand years of history about horses, no? Not one cowboy in the whole Book. The bones of little equines about two feet high are acknowledged in pre-historic American finds. Is that what got translated as "horses" ????

There is a cave I know about, on the shorelines of Lake Bonneville on the west side of Utah. . . . Gandy Mountain. . . . where the BLM hired some locals to re-open a caved-in front, where there was a huge overhang/entrance. The back side had a small worm hole that was only discovered about fifty years ago. The BLM workers found horse fossils, dated at 10,000 years old, of full-sized horses.

 

[babe]

It could be longest thread ever material, you have a point. Should we put up a poll and vote on it?

Well, anybody can raise any issues they like in this thread. The more problematic and prone for endless argument, the better. . . .

 

[babe]

It could be longest thread ever material, you have a point. Should we put up a poll and vote on it?

So I don't know why vote. We can just do a thousand posts arguing it back and forth. . . . about whether to do the poll or not, I mean. . . .

 

[Dr. Jones]

well, I'm a cautious man. I don't often make big moves. But putting the kids in a situation where they can work with their hands as part of a family effort is probably worth millions for their futures. My father in law did that, and when he died, he had several teenage boys who could run the business. Today they all have their own businesses. . . . lots of millionaires there. . . .

My concern isn't about money. My concern is that I remember how awesome the farm, the creeks, were.. the quality of life, for me, was immeasurable. I am scared that my expectations for how much my kids will embrace that same experience will fall way short.. that somehow I have already done an injustice to my kids, my priority 1, by not introducing these root fundamentals early enough.

I am afraid I've let them down.

 

[Sandy Braille]

WTF do you guys even talk about in this thread.

 

[Dr. Jones]

horses. well, not just horsecrap, but real horses.

The anti-Mos have had it for a couple of centuries, with all the hoopla about how the Spanish lost some horses around Santa Fe or SoCal, and how there were no horses in the New World when the Europeans came here. The Book of Mormon allegedly says something about horses. The Mahonri Moriancumr subs didn't have horses, no? Lehi didn't have horses, no? But they said something, about once, in supposedly a thousand years of history about horses, no? Not one cowboy in the whole Book. The bones of little equines about two feet high are acknowledged in pre-historic American finds. Is that what got translated as "horses" ????

There is a cave I know about, on the shorelines of Lake Bonneville on the west side of Utah. . . . Gandy Mountain. . . . where the BLM hired some locals to re-open a caved-in front, where there was a huge overhang/entrance. The back side had a small worm hole that was only discovered about fifty years ago. The BLM workers found horse fossils, dated at 10,000 years old, of full-sized horses.

You are treading into my expertise here.. I have been an avid archaeologist/anthropologist for 35 years .. 4 generations. Not sure we should discuss.

 

[Dr. Jones]

WTF do you guys even talk about in this thread.

Extremely poor timing. That's okay. I still love you deeply. Real deep.

 

[babe]

So I found some links.

ww.caves.org/grotto/timpgrotto/Timothy%20H_%20Heaton%20Crystal%20Ball%20Cave.htm

https://ojs.lib.byu.edu/ojs/index.php/wnan/article/viewFile/2032/2379



While the man at the cave, who is the grandson of George Sims who discovered the cave, emphatically stated that they found large "horse" bones when they first opened the large chamber behind the cave-fall barrier that covered the front of it, the study states that it is doubtful these bones are anything but recent. . . . and then goes on to do the radiocarbon dating on the bones dragged into the cave by woodrats scavenging the desert. . . . and found them to be horse bones from 19000 YBP. Years before Present. The cave-in apparently was before humans entered the area, around 13000 YBP.

So I guess we have a choice. We can call science as we've been taught it in our schools hogwash, or maybe just go on wondering if anyone actually knows anything.

or, well, . . . . maybe . . . . . read real science and learn to ask questions before accepting conclusions. . . . .

 

[babe]

Either way, it's enough to call this argument against the Book of Mormon "bunk".

there were horses here before the colonists brought them over, maybe just a few, or in just some areas, but they were here. At least at Gandy Mountain.