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Tony said:
I just started reading more into Muhammad, I've read a lot about how he has a Kobe Bryant/superstar type of mentality, being super ADD with everything and being a major perfectionist, about how his turrets really helped him push himself and how he feeds off of peoples criticism.
I honestly think the FO should go for him. He could be a legit superstar and if he's not, this draft is so weak lottery wise that it wouldn't really matter if he doesn't end up being one.
Shabazz, Withey, Wolters is my ideal darft.

Wolters
Muhammad
Hayward
Kanter
Favors, Withey
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Who's your fav. player Tony? I'll add it to my list.
 
cowhide said:
I think people are getting too caught up on the draft when they start suggesting the Jazz would trade Favors for Len. Why would the Jazz hire the Mailman to coach him and then trade him? Favors has shown that he works hard and wants to improve. Now that AJ and Millsap are out of the way he is finally going to get his chance.

I like Len but he hasn't proven anything and I would be cautious due to his foot injury.
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If Favors or Kanter are traded for anyone in this draft I'll be irate. Don't think it will happen though. Both players would be 1 and 2 in this draft. Or at worse 1 and 3.
 
Ah I'm getting so excited for thursday!

Really hoping that we can somehow snag Burke, MCW, McCollum, or Shabazz.
 
Catchall said:
People who think Giannis is too skinny need to realize that he's the same height and just two pounds lighter than Otto Porter. Porter is 18 months older.

I mean, Giannis is actually too skinny, but he can add bulk and is basically starting with Otto Porter's frame.
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OP also put up 9 reps at the combine. Stronger than he looks. Lets not compare peasants to Gods.
 
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First Wes/Gyp.. now I'm channeling NAOS from the Great Beyond... good stuff, I might add.

Wurd to the STG Rep Train,

You're my only contact on the inside, so I thought I'd share my final thoughts on the draft. Post them if you feel like they're worthy of the discussions happening in there.

Opening Propositions:
1. I think the Jazz will go young this year. A good pick in 2014, and maximum salary flexibility appear to be the key targets of the FO.

2. Given #1, the incredible amount of research the FO, and our current flexibility, I think it's possible the Jazz bring four rookies to camp. I think they could move up to 8 or 9 and still get four guys.

3. Our PG needs are well documented, but it isn't worth moving up to get Burke (likely too costly) or McCollum (too many questions, imo).

4. Maybe I've been duped by smoke screens, but I don't believe the FO is wild about Schroeder at 14.

some preliminary conclusions:

1. I believe the FO would move up for Burke if he fell to 8 or lower, but we are looking at a draft where can make a bigger impact by addressing needs OTHER THAN PG. These include:

a. Perimeter defense
b. Shooting
c. Getting a short-clock scorer
d. Looking for a value pick in a guy who can breakdown the defense with his own dribble

Let's roll with this... Here are my hopes:

1. If Bazz is really gonna slide, then we need to get him. He helps a - c. If you get this kind of talent at 8 or 9, then you accomplish d, too.

2. I've really warmed on Kasarev. I think we could acquire the pick to get him if we don't already have it. He's smart and plays well with others. He's dogged by the same questions on defense as Hay and Thompson were (both of whom are now average to above-average defenders), and while I do question his fire a little, I don't think there are many reasons to suspect he can't get there. He'll be a 40% 3pt shooter.

3. If Archie is gonna fall half as far as some say, then he's the obvious value pick. I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if we were running Burks and Archie as attacking 1s next year.

4. Get a backup 4. I'm thinking of Erik Murphy in particular.

Final tally:

This would leave us with an odd combination of players. I admit that. Let's have a look at how I'd play them NEXT YEAR. (Now, keep in mind that I was a very vocal proponent of grabbing and playing '13 guys as a way of helping our '14 strategy; maybe a guy increases his value and/or can be used next year to acquire a pick, or move one up; that's my thinking with this depth chart).

Burks/Goodwin/Tinsley
Bazz/Karasev
Hayward/Carroll/Marvin
Favors/Marion/Evans
Kanter/Murphy

(obviously there's a lot of sliding from 2 to 3, and from 4 to 5. Hayward runs a lot of the half-court sets. We address pg in '14.)
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Found 2 articles, which can have huge impact on this draft in the Jazz range.

Rivers to Clippers talks reopened

Pelicans planning to get Giannis with #13 and take on Marion's expiring

If that's true I wouldn't be surprised to see the Celtics grabbing Schröder. They gotta plan long term if they plan to rebuild imo. With 16-17.5 million committed to the Jet, Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass over the next 3 yrs they have as much cap flexibility as Shaq in a Smart.

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That limits their attractiveness and forces them to trade Rondo away after his value is restored. Schröder being the biggest upside pick in their range, makes him attractive.
 

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BTP said:
Found 2 articles, which can have huge impact on this draft in the Jazz range.

Rivers to Clippers talks reopened

Pelicans planning to get Giannis with #13 and take on Marion's expiring

If that's true I wouldn't be surprised to see the Celtics grabbing Schröder. They gotta plan long term if they plan to rebuild imo. With 16-17.5 million committed to the Jet, Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass over the next 3 yrs they have as much cap flexibility as Shaq in a Smart.

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That limits their attractiveness and forces them to trade Rondo away after his value is restored. Schröder being the biggest upside pick in their range, makes him attractive.
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So if the Pelicans add Marion along with GA and the Jazz go young, who will have a better record at the end of the season?
 
orangello said:
So then I should be happy about this news then. Right?
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Another thing I had in mind but forgot to write is that in case this happens it might mean the Pelicans(love that franchise name :D) think Al Farouq Aminu is expendable. Some of you have spoken highly of his qualities couple days ago.
Other thing about Cs is that the chance of Schröder falling all the way down to 21 might sink.
 
What do Pelicans give up to get #13?
And Giannis at #13 can only drop a more valuable player down to Jazz.
 
BTP said:
Another thing I had in mind but forgot to write is that in case this happens it might mean the Pelicans(love that franchise name :D) think Al Farouq Aminu is expendable. Some of you have spoken highly of his qualities couple days ago.
Other thing about Cs is that the chance of Schröder falling all the way down to 21 might sink.
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There is only 1 poster who to my knowledge has spoken highly of Aminu.
 
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