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patriotism is gonna end up being one of the most productive causes of insanity. . . . So many people will just be unable to float all the contradictions, logical and emotional. . . . massive national cognitive dissonance. . . .
 
but the silly "spying" is just gonna be an historical oddity in a few years. . . . people just aren't gonna stand for it, no matter how it's justified, sliced or diced. It's just sheer stupidity.

Like a pup chasing it's own tail.
 
government is not what anyone should feel "patriotic" about. . . . . it's liberty and freedom and human rights that validate any fondness in the hearts of a people for their nation.
 
Having a slight problem with this "Free gift" concept and the notion that "Everyone is forgiven of sins if you receive Christ and repent" concept.

Why?

I've come across many Christians who seem to think that as long as they believe in Christ, anything goes. They can do what they like and simply "repent" away their sins at the end of the day. So why follow God's words & command at all? Salvation is a "free gift" at the end of the day isn't it?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Having a slight problem with this "Free gift" concept and the notion that "Everyone is forgiven of sins if you receive Christ and repent" concept.

Why?

I've come across many Christians who seem to think that as long as they believe in Christ, anything goes. They can do what they like and simply "repent" away their sins at the end of the day. So why follow God's words & command at all? Salvation is a "free gift" at the end of the day isn't it?
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Yes, and many Christians are probably in for a big surprise, for one reason or another -

The Narrow and Wide Gates

Matthew 7:13-14

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Repentance in the Bible, means a change of mind.

Repenting for speeding on the highway means to obey the speed limit from here on out. Sorry.
 
Figured I'd post in this thread, because I haven't done so yet.

Carry on.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Having a slight problem with this "Free gift" concept and the notion that "Everyone is forgiven of sins if you receive Christ and repent" concept.

Why?

I've come across many Christians who seem to think that as long as they believe in Christ, anything goes. They can do what they like and simply "repent" away their sins at the end of the day. So why follow God's words & command at all? Salvation is a "free gift" at the end of the day isn't it?
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You are not alone.

I've been all around this topic, dancing to the music of various snake charmers each with their own particular set of logical constructs. Nobody can dance to all those tunes at the same time.

We all get to do our own dance to our own music, if we wish. . . . and nobody who's ever tried to take a stand on conscience somehow has ever been able to satisfy the whole human piranha swarm and come out "whole".

But I choose to look first at the example of Jesus in all the situations we have concerning his life in the New Testament. On a most rudimentary level he taught people to have their own self-reflection, their own principles derived from some deeper consideration of whether they are doing good or not, and their own individual relationship with the Father, their own dialogue (prayer) with Him, and exhorted us to follow Him somewhat in the manner He did that Himself. I don't think following such an example is consistent with an undisciplined life of self-willed excesses or unexamined behaviors.

However, I do think the folks at the Pacific Garden Mission do have a very valid point in their thousands of programs called "Unshackled", in that we do not make our journey alone towards God. "Come into my heart Lord Jesus" is for many the step they just will not take, and it is their downfall.
 
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