Science vs. Creationism

[Darkwing Duck]

2) Any given adult orangutan, gorilla, or chimpanzee is stronger enough to literally tear the limbs from your body. They are very good at surviving in their natural habitats, and much better than humans at doing so.

Well...humans survive MUCH MUCH MUCH better than any primate on earth, than any vertabrate ever has.

 

[♪alt13]

They certainly don't say it happened by design.

It is just a random (accidental) occurrence for a bladder to turn into a lung, like when you roll a 6 sided dice every million rolls or so you roll a 7.

Explain for me the evidence for intelligent design. The last few pages have been all about evolution. How I am ever to know the truth if you will not present it to me. Please blow my mind.

 

[MVP]

They certainly don't say it happened by design.

It is just a random (accidental) occurrence for a bladder to turn into a lung, like when you roll a 6 sided dice every million rolls or so you roll a 7.

They don't say that fish bladder turned into human lung period. That is absolutely ridiculous.
And you did not answer about how it feels believing that you were once created from man's rib.

 

[MVP]

Explain for me the evidence for intelligent design. The last few pages have been all about evolution. How I am ever to know the truth if you will not present it to me. Please blow my mind.

lol, Behe, Dembski, Ham and similar "scientists" tried already only to be destroyed in all debates ( and in all law courts ) by real scientists like Krauss, Nye or Dawkins. Heck Behe even agrees with almost all evolution theory except random mutation where he thinks it is "guided mutation" by intelligent designer ( God).

 

[PearlWatson]

They don't say that fish bladder turned into human lung period. That is absolutely ridiculous.
And you did not answer about how it feels believing that you were once created from man's rib.

One said it right here in this thread:

Also how did lungs evolve???

Scientist have seen evidence that swim bladders if fish used to control buoyancy, were modified through genetic mutations as a more efficient form of gas exchange especially with the abundance of Oxygen at the surface of the ocean!!

 

[MVP]

One said it right here in this thread:

Don't see anywhere human lung mentioned.

 

[PearlWatson]

Explain for me the evidence for intelligent design. The last few pages have been all about evolution. How I am ever to know the truth if you will not present it to me. Please blow my mind.

ID scientist use the same data (fossil record, biological systems) and come up with different conclusions with information theory, mathematics and religious mumbojumbo like that. I already had my fun delving into Dembski's theory on One Brow's evolution thread.

I don't know the truth to the question of whether all life shares a common ancestor, I just find it highly implausible that if this is the truth that random mutations is the mechanism that led to all the complex coordinated life systems that exist. The jumps from non vertebrae to vertebrae and asexual to sexual reproduction are the most problematic for a Darwinist to explain without sounding completely ridiculous to me.

 

[PearlWatson]

Don't see anywhere human lung mentioned.

"Also how did lungs evolve???" ~Zulu

 

[♪alt13]

ID scientist use the same data (fossil record, biological systems) and come up with different conclusions with information theory, mathematics and religious mumbojumbo like that. I already had my fun delving into Dembski's theory on One Brow's evolution thread.

I don't know the truth to the question of whether all life shares a common ancestor, I just find it highly implausible that if this is the truth that random mutations is the mechanism that led to all the complex coordinated life systems that exist. The jumps from non vertebrae to vertebrae and asexual to sexual reproduction are the most problematic for a Darwinist to explain without sounding completely ridiculous to me.

Invertebrate to vertebrate, what's the problem? There are living invertebrates that have a nerve chord without bone. Sharks are an example of what we might call a primitive vertebrate that have cartilage instead of bone. Where is the mystery?

https://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/?page=24.25.312.314

 

[babe]

That's all very true but problem is they really do not ask any serious or valid questions. Think this way, if they would present any kind of serious evidence against evolution wouldn't more scientist would follow? Wouldn't that 0.14% steadily increase through the years? I mean if it would be 14% vs 86% than I would consider it a bit more valid but 14 scientists vs 986 ?

Authoritarianism and Science have had a bad marriage throughout history. Science is really only science when someone asks a nonconforming question and starts making the case against something that everyone thought was "true". The rest of the time, scientists laboring in the fields of specialty are more like priests copying the dogmatic texts of tradition, fashioning ever and ever more masses of dogma. . . . .

So I don't doubt that things change, and will change across time well beyond my powers of projection. And I don't think it takes a single point of Life to speak the word and "create" everything. I think every aspect of "life" is inherent in the whole wide universe, and where ever there is cognition there is a potential for action that may reflect some kind of "intelligence". I won't call this principle "God", though, and I think "God" has hung ten on this wave for a good long while, and that others have gone before Him doing as much in their own time. . . . and many more will do as much in time to come. . . . .

The dogma of "evolution" as a repudiation of a traditional view of "God" is a denial of the human capacity for intelligence, as well as a denial that anything else is intelligent. It might be true of the people who believe this stupid dogma and use it justify their pride and arrogance like a club for beating down the little old "church ladies" who have tried to teach them to be "good boys" or "good girls". . . . but truly I can't even stomach making a joke about them because it is just that horrific that people want so badly to justify their disbelief they will attack the very basis of scientific investigation to do so.

Not even an Amoeba is without intelligence and choice or the power to act to preserve and propagate "life", and is therefore an illustration of "intelligent design" in it's own actions within its own scope of life.

As the Bible says, all things demonstrate the reality of God.

 

[♪alt13]

Authoritarianism and Science have had a bad marriage throughout history. Science is really only science when someone asks a nonconforming question and starts making the case against something that everyone thought was "true". The rest of the time, scientists laboring in the fields of specialty are more like priests copying the dogmatic texts of tradition, fashioning ever and ever more masses of dogma. . . . .

So I don't doubt that things change, and will change across time well beyond my powers of projection. And I don't think it takes a single point of Life to speak the word and "create" everything. I think every aspect of "life" is inherent in the whole wide universe, and where ever there is cognition there is a potential for action that may reflect some kind of "intelligence". I won't call this principle "God", though, and I think "God" has hung ten on this wave for a good long while, and that others have gone before Him doing as much in their own time. . . . and many more will do as much in time to come. . . . .

The dogma of "evolution" as a repudiation of a traditional view of "God" is a denial of the human capacity for intelligence, as well as a denial that anything else is intelligent. It might be true of the people who believe this stupid dogma and use it justify their pride and arrogance like a club for beating down the little old "church ladies" who have tried to teach them to be "good boys" or "good girls". . . . but truly I can't even stomach making a joke about them because it is just that horrific that people want so badly to justify their disbelief they will attack the very basis of scientific investigation to do so.

Not even an Amoeba is without intelligence and choice or the power to act to preserve and propagate "life", and is therefore an illustration of "intelligent design" in it's own actions within its own scope of life.

As the Bible says, all things demonstrate the reality of God.

Nah babe. Science is following the evidence wherever it may lead. It's about trying to discover the truth. What you describe as real science is having an agenda and being dogmatic. You cannot ignore evidence and expect to be taken seriously. You cannot supplant data and observation with tales of watches and religious stories and call it science. That is dogmatic.

 

[MVP]

"Also how did lungs evolve???" ~Zulu

Still can't see human in there. Remember what you posted - fish bladder to human lung. Only creationist would post such nonsense.
Fish evolved into amphibians to remind you. See beautiful picture of living fossil I posted in this thread, the one who still has gills and already lungs as well.