Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

[PearlWatson]

Meh. Religious fear mongering tbh. Family structure shrinks and grows and shrinks again based largely on economic opportunity.
Do you realize that's about as racist a statement as you could make? Culture has little to do with it, and it's either ignorance or racism to assume it does.

Uggg. One brow has infected your mind.

You can't claim a cause-effect relationship anymore than framer.

 

[DutchJazzer]

President Obama supports NBA's ban of Sterling


Posted Apr 30, 2014 2:18 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama is supporting the NBA's lifetime ban against Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

That's according to White House press secretary Jay Carney. Carney said Wednesday that Obama believes the league did the right thing in response to Sterling's racist comments.

Obama had weighed into the controversy over the weekend during a trip to Asia. The president called Sterling's secretly recorded comments "incredibly offensive racist statements."

Obama also cast Sterling's remarks as part of a continuing legacy of slavery and discrimination that Americans have to constantly be on guard against.

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announced the punishment Tuesday. Silver also said he will try to force a sale of the Clippers and fined Sterling $2.5 million.

trololololololol
that commie ******** backs the nba

 

[framer]

Meh. Religious fear mongering tbh. Family structure shrinks and grows and shrinks again based largely on economic opportunity.



Do you realize that's about as racist a statement as you could make? Culture has little to do with it, and it's either ignorance or racism to assume it does.

See here I am thinking that assuming culture because of race is stereotyping, which is racism, no? Or is it possible that racism is whatever Franklin and company want it to be at any given moment depending upon their mood. . .

 

[franklin]

See here I am thinking that assuming culture because of race is stereotyping, which is racism, no? Or is it possible that racism is whatever Franklin and company want it to be at any given moment depending upon their mood. . .

You specified "black community".

Tell you what, read up on the 20th century history of the black family unit and get back to me. I'll be surprised if you don't come back realizing just how wrong your culture comment is.

 

[GVC]

WTH? My ILK?...This is why you can't have discussions with liberal ideologues. . .

I'm still trying to figure out why you posted those stats. How are they relevant to the discussion? Is it safe to assume you're not implying that discrimination/marginalization of individuals based on the marriage rate of their ethnic/racial/cultural group is ok? Again, what was your point?

 

[framer]

I'm still trying to figure out why you posted those stats. How are they relevant to the discussion? Is it safe to assume you're not implying that discrimination/marginalization of individuals based on the marriage rate of their ethnic/racial/cultural group is ok? Again, what was your point?

On the contrary, I was implying that this was NOT OK. There are real issues that need to be addressed, and Donald Sterling barely even registers on the solution scale. Rather than do the heavy lifting it is going to take to start fixing the problem, it is much easier to pillory Donald Sterling. You want to fix inner city education, expand school choice. (Can't do that because some kids my be educated by Christianists!) You want more responsible men, stop glorifying misogynists in our culture, and stop with the double standards. If it is bad for one group of people to do it is bad for everyone. Also, the legal system has problems that definitely need to be addressed, but they range far beyond race. Little of this can be done by legislation, which is hard. But for many people "we got Donald Sterling!!!" lets them off the hook for a year or two. Bread and Circuses.

 

[GVC]

On the contrary, I was implying that this was NOT OK. There are real issues that need to be addressed, and Donald Sterling barely even registers on the solution scale. Rather than do the heavy lifting it is going to take to start fixing the problem, it is much easier to pillory Donald Sterling...But for many people "we got Donald Sterling!!!" lets them off the hook for a year or two.

FWIW, I think Donald Sterling's history of housing discrimination, especially if it's indicative of a larger trend, registers. Hell, it's directly related to the school choice problems you've alluded to.

I agree that the recording being discussed is fairly innocuous (IMO), and the punishment incredibly harsh. Some have argued that this episode provides the concrete evidence needed to finally punish Sterling for his past misdeeds (related to both racial discrimination and poor management decisions). I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

As for people going the "we got Donald Sterling!!" route to justify their apathy, I agree as well. I thought Bomani Jones and Kareem (to a lesser extent) were pretty spot on in their analysis of the situation.

 

[DutchJazzer]

the mob trying to crucify sterling is just like the salem witch trials.
and other ignorant mob mentality throughout history

in hindsight everytime mob took up pitchforks it has been wrong.

 

[fishonjazz]

the mob trying to crucify sterling is just like the salem witch trials.
and other ignorant mob mentality throughout history

in hindsight everytime mob took up pitchforks it has been wrong.

Salem witch trials lol....
Burning women at a stake because they are accused of being witches = fining a billionaire and not letting him go to nba games.

 

[sirkickyass]

I came in here looking to see if people were going to claim Sterling's first amendment rights had been violated.

Was not disappointed.

Silly jazzfanz. Don't ever change.

 

[framer]

I guess that my final reaction is that in America, the process we use to get somewhere is just as important as the end result. Sterling sucks and is likely a bad person AND he is bad for the NBA. The way they "got" him was pretty disgusting, however. Sometimes letting bad people off should be the price of maintaining the integrity of the process. I'm certainly not down with the "thoughtcrime" police be it legally or in the court of public opinion.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Again, I'm not defending Sterling in any way whatsoever - he's a deplorable dreg who I couldn't care less about - but it is rich that Magic Johnson just tweeted celebrating D'Antoni's resignation. The guy who the media blow-hards/mob public who cried, "how can you hate Magic, 'one of the all-time great people' in the league,'" on their way to his defense, reveals a really dark and morally reprehensible side of his character 24 hours after Sterling is banished. You can't make this **** up! I'm no tin foil hat man, but people need to wake up.