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Stoked said:
Of course they did. In Utah everything is Obama's fault. If it rains it's Obama. Dead lawn? Obama. You got the flu? Obama.

I am not looking to lay blame as much as wonder why we can get a deal done with the Taliban but not Mexico?
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On the flip side there are those people that, if Obama walked out of the White House one day and shivved Joe Biden while laughing hysterically, would say "Remember that time when Cheney shot his friend in the face? Republicans do it too! And Obama has been under a lot of pressure. . ."

But yeah, the guy in Mexico would have been a better save than the deserter.
 
framer said:
On the flip side there are those people that, if Obama walked out of the White House one day and shivved Joe Biden while laughing hysterically, would say "Remember that time when Cheney shot his friend in the face? Republicans do it too! And Obama has been under a lot of pressure. . ."

But yeah, the guy in Mexico would have been a better save than the deserter.
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You are right there are. Doesn't make it any less idiotic or any more justifiable.
 
Stoked said:
Oh spare us the drama.

Glad he is back, regardless of how it happened. Would be curious to see what other options they had or even discussed for getting him though.
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Was the guy your brother? Would you have released Josef Mengele to get him back? Because, yeah, it's kind of like that. But I don't want to bore you with "Drama."
 
fishonjazz said:
I bet that soldiers friends and family are glad that they negotiated for his release..... as well as the soldier himself.

Seems like alls well that ends well to me, and so far this has turned out tk be a happy ending
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Wow bro. Incredibly naive take.

This is not a Disney movie.
 
UGLI baby said:
Wow bro. Incredibly naive take.

This is not a Disney movie.
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Well let me know when the consequences hit and then maybe i will change my tune. For now its a happy story.

Maybe the taliban executes those 5 dudes for getting caught.. maybe they blow themselves up making IED.
Maybe they decide the terrorist life is no longer for them and they get honest work.

For now it IS a happy ending
 
framer said:
Was the guy your brother? Would you have released Josef Mengele to get him back? Because, yeah, it's kind of like that. But I don't want to bore you with "Drama."
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Then stop being overly dramatic. Simple.

No idea who Josef Mengele is off the top of my head. I can give you the same question. Are these Afghans your family? What is your desire to protect them? At what cost? What makes them better than others we are not protecting? At what point is enough enough?

If you are so strongly for protecting the innocent then are you advocating going into Africa? China? Ukraine? Libya? Egypt? Palestine?

Basically I am glad we got him back. I would like to know what other viable options they had v. what they did before I freak out about this. Do I care about these 5 guys? Nope. I care about Bergdahl and his family (mostly the family) more than some hypothetical Afghanistan family that might hypothetically be hurt as a result of this.

Having said that if a covert rescue option was available that would probably have been my prefered choice of getting him back.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Everyone negotiates with terrorists. Even the turncoat/Red Jesus Ronald Reagan negotiated with terrorists.
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Its dumb to stick with policies just for policy sake anyway. You should always look at each situation on its own.
 
fishonjazz said:
Its dumb to stick with policies just for policy sake anyway. You should always look at each situation on its own.
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What if terrorists had an atomic bomb and they said they were going to drop it in new york city..... unless we give them a ham sandwich.

Should the president be like "sorry, we dont negotiate with terrorists. We will not surrender a ham sandwich, go ahead and drop your bomb."?

Each scenario should be looked at independently. It shouldnt be as cut and dry as We Dont Negotiate With Terrorists.

Fwiw i have no idea if what the government did in this situation was the right or wrong thing to do but im hapoy for the dude and his loved ones that he is no longer a hostage.

It must have been terrible to not know what was happening to him all this time.
 
framer said:
Unless you or your family in Afghanistan is on the enemy list of the five dudes that just got released. Then you are in a world of hurt.
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Why is your position any worse now than last week? IF these are senior commanders, wouldn't their juniors have already been intent on revenge?
 
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