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Game 28: Jazz @ Thunder Playoff Rematch #1 6pm MT Time

Sandman822 said:
I'm not sure how much it has changed since Zach Lowe's podcast, but in a podcast a week or two ago they talked about how the Jazz offense is 1st or close to it in getting the type of shots you want to get (layups, open 3s, etc), but were 23rd (don't quote me exactly on that but it was bad) in offensive efficiency because guys can't make shots this year. Criticisting his offense is dumb because he's putting players in the right positions to succeed in the modern NBA, players just aren't making shots.

Quin probably deserves a bit of criticism for his questionable rotations and I don't think he's very good at making in game adjustments, but his offense scheme is fine.
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Quin is over emphasizing the three. The numbers guys think this is amazing. But, we cant shoot. So, the numbers guys can blow it out their imaginary noses.

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Mission Accomplished said:
What does it really take to runs Quin's offense? Doesn't look that spectacular looks like anyone can jack up a three with no consequences. Hardly ever attack and if we do we throw it back out for a three. Rudy dunks that is all the offense is doing.

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This is actually the main problem we have. Our PGs have some severe limitations, and our frontcourt players have limitations too. If we had a do-it-all wunderkind PG, the limitations of Ingles, Crowder and Favors wouldn't be as much of a problem. If our forwards weren't so limited offensively, having a PG like Rubio wouldn't be problematic. So the Jazz need to figure out which issue they're going to solve. Would be nice if they could address both of them.

On nights when both Rubio and Crowder are playing well offensively, the Jazz are really good, but this only seems to happen about once every 4 or 5 games.
 
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Mission Accomplished said:
Quin is over emphasizing the three. The numbers guys think this is amazing. But, we cant shoot. So, the numbers guys can blow it out their imaginary noses.

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I don't understand what this alternative is to shooting a bunch of threes? There's no one on the roster outside of Mitchell who is able to get to the rim and finish consistently (and even Mitchell has been poor at that for a lot of the season so far). People keep saying that the Jazz take too many 3s but I wonder how many people have actually thought about the alternative to that, which would essentially be Rubio/Crowder chucking long 2s instead since neither are able to finish at the rim consistently, maybe a few more Favors post ups and mid range Js, and maybe a slight uptick in FTs but I doubt it would be significant as most of the guys on the team aren't good at drawing fouls outside of Mitchell when he's being aggressive and not settling.

The only thing I could think of is Mitchell looking to drive and create for others a bit more instead of settling or taking contested shots at the rim as that would unlock the non-PG lineups which could potentially be lethal (Mitchell/Korver/Ingles/Crowder/Favs or Gobert, or some variation of that with Mitchell at the PG), but he's shown zero ability to play PG and I don't think that would change overnight.

In my opinion, Quin's questionable rotations and arguable misuse of players, and the team's lack of defense are far more important issues to address before his offensive scheme from a coaching standpoint. I think people are overreacting to tired legs on yet another tail end of a B2B on the road and how poor the fatigued offense looked against the best defensive team in the NBA currently with their offense criticisms.

edit: If people preferred the Jazz ran an offensive system similar to what the Spurs do, just keep in mind that literally the only reason why it is working out is because they have two elite mid range shooters in DeRozan and Aldridge who are able to keep it afloat. Jazz have no one who you would consider to be an elite mid range shooter.
 
Exum to the FT line more than any other Jazz, more than quadrupled Neto’s scoring in less tgan half the minutes. Yep he’s the problem.
 
Catchall said:
Exum isn't really the problem. He's just not the solution either.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that for the most part. At the end of the day role players arent going to fix Utah's issues. We got Korver, and he got great looks and missed them. They help out, but Utah needs another starting level shot creator.
 
Our best lineups of the season :
Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Crowder-Favors - 40min - OFFRTG 116.7 DEFRTG 92.3 NETRTG 24.4
Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Crowder-Gobert - 201min - OFFRTG 115.5 DEFRTG 102.9 NETRTG 12.6

Starting Lineup :
Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Favors-Gobert - 188min - OFFRTG 101.8 DEFRTG 99.8 NETRTG 2.0

Our worst lineups of the season :
Rubio-Mitchell-O'Neale-Crowder-Gobert - 55min- OFFRTG 88.8 DEFRTG 113.5 NETRTG -24.7
Rubio-O'Neale-Ingles-Favors-Gobert - 24min - OFFRTG 98.1 DEFRTG 116.7 NETRTG -18.6

For this game :
Best Lineups of the season : 20s
Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Crowder-Favors - 20s - OFFRTG 0.0 DEFRTG 100.0 NETRTG -100.0
Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Crowder-Gobert - 0min
Starting Lineup : 10min
Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Favors-Gobert - 10min - OFFRTG 95.2 DEFRTG 123.8 NETRTG -28.6
Worst lineups of the season : 1min
Rubio-Mitchell-O'Neale-Crowder-Gobert - 1min- OFFRTG 0.0 DEFRTG 200.0 NETRTG -200.0
Rubio-O'Neale-Ingles-Favors-Gobert - 0min

For comparison, Billy Donovan played 2 of his top 3 lineups during 28min.
 
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How did the Thunder pick up Dennis Schroeder again? That was a great acquisition for them. Schroeder outplayed all of our PGs tonight.

Edit: it was the Carmelo Anthony trade. The Thunder did really well this off-season, keeping PG13, picking up Schroeder and re-signing Grant as well.
 
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Catchall said:
How did the Thunder pick up Dennis Schroeder again? That was a great acquisition for them. Schroeder outplayed all of our PGs tonight.

Edit: it was the Carmelo Anthony trade. The Thunder did really well this off-season, keeping PG13, picking up Schroeder and re-signing Grant as well.
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Sam Presti.
 
Continue to blame Exum in order to divert the attention from the real problems.

The real problem is Quin offensive system and DL not hiring the ideal players for the Quin "system".
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
It would have been worse with Exum.

Garbage time minutes don't count. The level of defensive intensity from the 1st-3rd quarter to the 4th was night/day.
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Who said garbage time don't count? If he played bad, garbage time was counting, right?

You all say that he has to earn his minutes but when he plays well in limited time it does not count, right?

How you can say it would have been worse with Exum?
 
Guys - its sad to say, but we had a great run and then DL massively underachieved this summer. He overpaid Favors, brought back overpaid Thabo and overpaid Exum.

There wasn't a team in the league who wanted to pay $10 for Favors but we gave him $17. Nobody was going to give Exum more than $7, but we gave him up to $11.

Not only did we bring back guys who didn't fit well. We overpaid guys who don't fit well. Pretty f-ing disappointing.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
It would have been worse with Exum.

Garbage time minutes don't count. The level of defensive intensity from the 1st-3rd quarter to the 4th was night/day.
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I watched exum shut down drive attempts from russ and dennis last night. They were driving just as hard and trying to score just as hard at that point but X shut them down.
 
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