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Trump’s Dividing of America

Why, when we don't hold ourselves to the same?
If you don't understand this, then you don't understand the responsibilities of someone in such high position. Sure, we need to hold ourselves to standards, but our behavior doesn't influence hundreds of millions of people. They have great power and with it great responsibilities that average citizens do not.
 
So hundreds of thousands trying to enter the country. Where would YOU put them? Trump has called this a National emergency since late last year and was scoffed and defeated for it. Now that it is a national emergency people still blame him.

Neither party has done a single thing to help but fight and divide.
We don't have to put them anywhere. In the past, for the most part*, asylum seekers were allowed to enter the country and given a court date.

*Obama absolutely used detention centers for some people crossing the border. Much smaller scale and based on much stricter criteria.
 
Common ground. Please help us find it so we can find a resolution.
Calling people Nazis is not common ground. That's my point. People are doing what our congressman, blue and red, have on the law book
That doesn't mean ****. They are coming here on their own free will. You dudes compared that to Nazi camps where they killed millions in absolutely disgusting fashion and other forms of genocide. Which is downright ignorance.

That's all I'm discussing. Neither party is helping these poor people. Both parties are using it to fire up and divide us.
 
Calling people Nazis is not common ground. That's my point. People are doing what our congressman, blue and red, have on the law book

That doesn't mean ****. They are coming here on their own free will. You dudes compared that to Nazi camps where they killed millions in absolutely disgusting fashion and other forms of genocide. Which is downright ignorance.

That's all I'm discussing. Neither party is helping these poor people. Both parties are using it to fire up and divide us.
Calling the detention centers "concentration camps" is not the same as calling anyone a Nazi. There were concentration camps before there were Nazis and there have been concentration camps since. We had concentration camps in the U.S. during WWII where we kept Japanese people.
 
Calling people Nazis is not common ground. That's my point. People are doing what our congressman, blue and red, have on the law book

That doesn't mean ****. They are coming here on their own free will. You dudes compared that to Nazi camps where they killed millions in absolutely disgusting fashion and other forms of genocide. Which is downright ignorance.

That's all I'm discussing. Neither party is helping these poor people. Both parties are using it to fire up and divide us.

We went back a step to find some common ground. The exercise is an attempt to bridge how I see it, and how you see it.

If you don't provide effective, inarguable facts that we can have a common ground, we'll never be able to agree. So please, help me.

Or maybe you don't want to objectively look at the problem we have and come to an understanding of eachother?
 
Calling the detention centers "concentration camps" is not the same as calling anyone a Nazi. There were concentration camps before there were Nazis and there have been concentration camps since. We had concentration camps in the U.S. during WWII where we kept Japanese people.
Where we rounded up legal citizens and forced them into camps with terrible food, water, and living conditions. These people being held are in no danger of starvation, get medical treatment, and are living better than a good chunk of poverty stricken folk that can't even put food on the table. As I said such damn ignorance and fear mongering.

We went back a step to find some common ground. The exercise is an attempt to bridge how I see it, and how you see it.

If you don't provide effective, inarguable facts that we can have a common ground, we'll never be able to agree. So please, help me.

Or maybe you don't want to objectively look at the problem we have and come to an understanding of eachother?
Common ground means both parties get on the table and come up with a solution. Neither are. One side is basically saying borders should be non-existent and we should allow anyone to just come in. The other is saying find asylum in Mexico or like any reasonable immigrant come here legally.

The problem is the lack of middle ground. As I said nobody is innocent here.
 
Where we rounded up legal citizens and forced them into camps with terrible food, water, and living conditions. These people being held are in no danger of starvation, get medical treatment, and are living better than a good chunk of poverty stricken folk that can't even put food on the table. As I said such damn ignorance and fear mongering.

The people in the detention centers have it pretty good?

Okay. I guess we're done here.
 
Calling the detention centers "concentration camps" is not the same as calling anyone a Nazi. There were concentration camps before there were Nazis and there have been concentration camps since. We had concentration camps in the U.S. during WWII where we kept Japanese people.
Yes, and one of them is a museum in southern California, northeast of LA. I actually visited once. From the pictures I saw and the information that was provided, it was much better than the prisons they are hoarding the illegal immigrants in now.
 
Common ground means both parties get on the table and come up with a solution. Neither are. One side is basically saying borders should be non-existent and we should allow anyone to just come in. The other is saying find asylum in Mexico or like any reasonable immigrant come here legally.

This is inherently not true. Getting to a common ground means we both have the same understanding, and are starting from the same place. I've offered unbiased fact, you've offered speculation and opinion that we can not agree on.

So come back to reality, and please stand on the common ground with me.
 
Where we rounded up legal citizens and forced them into camps with terrible food, water, and living conditions. These people being held are in no danger of starvation, get medical treatment, and are living better than a good chunk of poverty stricken folk that can't even put food on the table. As I said such damn ignorance and fear mongering.


Common ground means both parties get on the table and come up with a solution. Neither are. One side is basically saying borders should be non-existent and we should allow anyone to just come in. The other is saying find asylum in Mexico or like any reasonable immigrant come here legally.

The problem is the lack of middle ground. As I said nobody is innocent here.

Do you have a brain? I guess it's been in suspended animation since Trump was elected, like most of his groupies.
 
If Trump's current idea finds support, asylum will effectively be ending for Central American refugees anyway. So much for American ideals.



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Guess it's about time to take down the Statue of Liberty. We're great again! No room for ****-hole people from ****-hole countries.
 
Do you have a brain? I guess it's been in suspended animation since Trump was elected, like most of his groupies.
Thanks for proving my entire point. When you have to go to insults, you are the problem just as much as any other person. This is "The division of America" and precisely why nothing is getting done.


I agree. We're done. Have a nice! Just being hateful like you over a difference of opinion is gross and very Trump like.
 
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Seeking asylum is NOT breaking the law.

Honest question because I don’t know. Is everyone who tries to come into the country illegally seeking asylum? How do we as a nation differentiate between those seeking asylum and those just coming over the borders?
 
Honest question because I don’t know. Is everyone who tries to come into the country illegally seeking asylum? How do we as a nation differentiate between those seeking asylum and those just coming over the borders?
None of the people seeking asylum are coming into our country illegally. If they are seeking asylum they have to declare that and submit paperwork.

Those not seeking asylum, who cross at non-authorized entry points are entering illegally. You can't cross the border and go on about your life and then when found here illegally say "I'm seeking asylum." In order to seek asylum you have to declare that fact as soon as possible after entering the country.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer although I imitate one on jazzfanz.com sometimes
 
Not really. I live in Trump territory and I see the bigotry the left throws at these people. Look at groups like antifa, look at members of our government calling others deplorable, white nationalist, racist, and calling people doing there jobs at the border, following the very rules they supposed to, "Nazis in internment camps" and ICE workers terrorist. These people are just working to make a living and enforcing the law of the land. That is extremely ****ed up in my views especially since people have been deported for long before Trump.

Sure Trump fuels the fire as well, I'm not arguing that and **** him but this **** happening on the left is no different. It's not. Both parties right now are a lost cause of bigoted ********.

Just curious, what’s wrong with calling white supremacists, “White supremacists?” I don’t get it. You seriously don’t think Trump is one? Really? Steve King? The white supremacists who marched on Charlottesville? You don’t think Tucker and Laura’s nightly “our culture is changing! The new people aren’t assimilating! AOC isn’t American! Omar supports terrorists!” Isn’t white supremacy? Really? Open a ****ing history book man. This type of rhetoric was regular among eugenics/white supremacists from the early 1900s. It’s just being broadcast today by television.

I’m curious, why can’t we compare these detention centers from being Nazi concentration camps? Are people not living in terrible conditions? Are they not being abused? Are they not dying? What exactly is preventing them from qualifying as a concentration camp? I want qualifiers here.

It’s odd that some people on here are trying to “both sides” this thing. Take a step back and look at what’s happening. If Democrats and Never Trumpers are describing your side accurately, maybe you should re-evaluate which side your loyalty lies? You might not end up on the right side of history.
 
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Just curious, what’s wrong with calling white supremacists, “White supremacists?” I don’t get it. You seriously don’t think Trump is one? Really? Steve King? The white supremacists who marched on Charlottesville? You don’t think Tucker and Laura’s nightly “our culture is changing! The new people aren’t assimilating! AOC isn’t American!” Isn’t white supremacy? Really? Open a ****ing history book man. This rhetoric was regular eugenics/white supremacist rhetoric from the early 1900s. It’s just being broadcast by television.

I’m curious, why can’t we compare these detention centers from being Nazi concentration camps? Are people not living in terrible conditions? Are they not being abused? Are they not dying? What exactly is preventing them from qualifying as a concentration camp?

It’s odd that some people on here are trying to “both sides” this thing. Take a step back and look at what’s happening. If Democrats and Never Trumpers are describing your side accurately, maybe you should re-evaluate which side your loyalty lies? You might not end up on the right side of history.
Because it's factually wrong plain and simple.

My side is moderate. Your side seems to be extremest.
 
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