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Does Quin Survive?

fishonjazz said:
Ya I mean the fact that the jazz were up 3-0 on a very good Denver team and up 2-0 against the clippers and the number 1 seed and 3 all stars and 6th men of the year etc etc shows that the roster was very good.

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Yeah but with one giant gaping hole they haven't even made an attempt to fill.
 
Just putting some more size on the floor like the Mavericks did should have slowed down the Clippers. Guys like Morgan, Brantley and Ilyasova didn't get a single minute. The Jazz could also have used a lineup with both Gobert and Favors since our offense was mostly Mitchell and Clarkson going iso anyway.
 
l Abach l said:
but wHo ElSe WoUlD tHe JaZz HiRe?

We've seen this take place a million times in the NBA and it work out - Dwayne Casey, Mark Jackson, Avery Johnson, Doc Rivers, Brett Brown ... coaches leading playoff teams get canned all the time to become better. Yet we think Snyder is prime Phil Jackson.
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I think of bringing back Igor as a head coach! He knows system, have experience as a head coach in Phoenix and now is coaching Fenerbahce where real defence is playd! I don't understand how a good coach is watching hundreds of threes from the corner and do nothing to stop it! Why everybody has to shoot a three when Rudy is alone in the paint!
 
campaignist said:
There are people higher on my list of who to blame than Quin, namely the front office that somehow built a roster that was a tough defensive team with no shooters, then overreacted and built a roster that was an offensive glass cannon with only one real defender. I honestly can’t think of any other team that’s done that in such a short amount of time, if it all, with the same coach.

Quin made both versions of those Frankenstein rosters work. Both had fatal flaws, neither were built to win a title.

I also don’t think there’s anyone better available. Carlisle *maybe.*
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That's why i never get those sayings that

"QUIN NEVER ADJUST"

Come on now.

Quin has made the ULTIMATE ADJUSTMENT as a coach.

That is to go from a defensive oriented team that we were just two seasons ago, to one of the best three point shooting teams of all time.

How can one look at a team filled with Bojan, Conley, Clarkson and Niang, and tell me there is zero adjustment from the one featuring Rubio, Crowder, Exum and Neto??????

It's not Quin's fault that he has to deal with a one-dimensionally orientated FO who can't look at the game from different prospects. But he's been handed with two very different groups of players and was able to make both work.

If that doesn't reflect positively on his adaptability and flexibility as a coach, i don't know what does.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah but with one giant gaping hole they haven't even made an attempt to fill.
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Well i mean if quin just does one single adjustment in game 6 then we very well might have advanced to the WCF even with this roster and the gaping hole. And i think with homecourt advantage and no small ball to deal with we could get past the suns and could beat the sixers or bucks.
So i mean, with the roster we have it might have only taken quin making one minor adjustment for this team to win a title with the current roster.

Hell even with quin coaching like an idiot we might have won a title if we were healthy.

DL assembled a roster that had a chance at a title in freaking UTAH. Let that sink in.
 
jom2003 said:
That's why i never get those sayings that

"QUIN NEVER ADJUST"

Come on now.

Quin has made the ULTIMATE ADJUSTMENT as a coach.

That is to go from a defensive oriented team that we were just two seasons ago, to one of the best three point shooting teams of all time.

How can one look at a team filled with Bojan, Conley, Clarkson and Niang, and tell me there is zero adjustment from the one featuring Rubio, Crowder, Exum and Neto??????

It's not Quin's fault that he has to deal with a one-dimensionally orientated FO who can't look at the game from different prospects. But he's been handed with two very different groups of players and was able to make both work.

If that doesn't reflect positively on his adaptability and flexibility as a coach, i don't know what does.
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So you are saying that quin made adjustment from defense oriented to offense oriented but the FO stayed one dimensional? So quin got rid of rubio, crowder, exum, and neto and quin acquired bojan, conley, clarkson, and niang?

Btw when people criticize quins lack of adjustments they are speaking of in game adjustments, not off season adjustments. I think you knew that though.
 
jom2003 said:
That's why i never get those sayings that

"QUIN NEVER ADJUST"

Come on now.

Quin has made the ULTIMATE ADJUSTMENT as a coach.

That is to go from a defensive oriented team that we were just two seasons ago, to one of the best three point shooting teams of all time.

How can one look at a team filled with Bojan, Conley, Clarkson and Niang, and tell me there is zero adjustment from the one featuring Rubio, Crowder, Exum and Neto??????

It's not Quin's fault that he has to deal with a one-dimensionally orientated FO who can't look at the game from different prospects. But he's been handed with two very different groups of players and was able to make both work.

If that doesn't reflect positively on his adaptability and flexibility as a coach, i don't know what does.
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Quin was brought in and touted as an offensive mastermind and was anything but. His sets were missing a number of wrinkles that made the Spurs successful, and they still don't and have gone away from the horns for the most part.

The transition to a Gobert led team suddenly had Quin touted as a defensive mastermind, which again, he is not.

In today's NBA, what matters most is the ability to keep your team together and happy. With the egos today, it is probably the #1 aspect. Number 2 is putting in sets that complement your roster. And third, the ability to quickly react to the other teams changes. If a coach is missing one of these characteristics, they will never be successful.

I'd love to eat my words, but Quin will never acquire a Larry O'Brien trophy. And worse, his lack of adjustments will likely result in a blowup of a pretty good squad. No way Conley stays at this point.
 
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fishonjazz said:
So you are saying that quin made adjustment from defense oriented to offense oriented but the FO stayed one dimensional? So quin got rid of rubio, crowder, exum, and neto and quin acquired bojan, conley, clarkson, and niang?

Btw when people criticize quins lack of adjustments they are speaking of in game adjustments, not off season adjustments. I think you knew that though.
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yes. going from defensive oriented to offensive oriented with no ground in between is the very definition for "being one dimensional".

A GM with multidimensional thinking would be building his team on both offensive AND defensive aspects of the game, not shifting from one dimension to another.

Having a team identity is one thing. Having that player variety/flexibility on your roster to deal with different types of situations is another.

And that's what a GM is paid to do.

Coaches are paid......well, to coach.
 
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I think Snyder is in the hot seat this next year. After two early playoff exits, I would think that patience is wearing thin. Ultimately, it may depend on what Spida thinks… for better or worse, seems like a coach’s career depends a lot on what the star player thinks can be accomplished with him. I think Q’s inability to make needed adjustments this series might’ve hurt trust that players have in him.
 
Michaelr said:
This is on Quin. This heavy 3 offense needs balance. He failed to adjust when the clips did and it has cost the best chance in the franchises history of winning a championship. Same thing 2 years straight. No balance just keep launching threes.
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Dennis Lindsay needs to be on the hot seat. What personnel on this roster gives that balance? He can only play the guys on the roster. That said, Erson should’ve gotten playing time. But my point still stands, who’s going to give that balance on this roster? If Snyder can’t get things done with a better roster he should be on the hot seat as well.
 
We don't know how good or bad the scrubby scrubs are or were. They were all just there rotting on the pines before turning to ashes. Quin didn't give them a run and if you know that is going to happen it is tough for these guys to stay positive and engaged. You would think Quin would be smarter than that.
 
I'm not against either getting rid or keeping Quin. But if he stays some things need to change. From reading articles it seems like Quin's offense is sometimes too complex for some players and it just doesn't work without at least a year or 2 of being in the system. That tells me he needs to change that and "dumb" it down so players can come right in and hit the ground running. I understand people are frustrated from the lack of adjustments but in all honesty there wasn't much else he could have done because we honestly don't know if any of the bench players could be trusted. That's the other long term adjustment he needs to make. Play fringe guys/young guys more in the regular season. If they aren't good enough cut/trade them and bring in someone new until you find players that stick (that's a FO issue as well as quin). There were countless games this season where the starters were still in the game with 3 minutes left and it was a 15+ lead. That shouldn't happen. Playing the other guys accomplishes a few things. Gives your starters more rest in games that don't mean as much and that will be a benefit over the long run and you never know you might find more O'neale types by doing that which is never a bad thing.
 
homeytennis said:
We don't know how good or bad the scrubby scrubs are or were.
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For what it's worth, we do know how good or bad these scrubs are. It's not like Oni didn't play 28 minutes in that Clippers series. "Bad" would've been an understatement on his performance.

Just look at the career of Bradley, Lyles, Dante, JWF, Bolomboy, Hanlan, NWG, Tyrone Wallace, Rayjon Tucker since they left.

Only ones who had somewhat of a career since they left Quin were AB, Neto and Hood, but all three played solid minutes under Quin before going down with injuries. You can hardly say they were underappreciated/underused by Quin.

Well, i guess i forgot about there being one center who was our late first rounder/end of bench guy who got tossed to the G-league(D-league back in the days) on multiple occasions in his rookie year under Corbin, and was given the playing opportunities the next season by Quin.

That worked out pretty well for us.

Oh, there were also a couple of undrafted prospects who came to us from the international leagues after being left out of the Warriors/Clippers roster. Those teams coaches didn't want them. It was Quin who gave them the playing opportunities and made them the NBA players that they are today.
 
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